1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,680 [Music] 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:19,680 Hello and welcome to our podcast Talk Gruesome to me, where we talk about movies and shows that cover true crime, paranormal and horror. 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:27,920 I am one of your hosts, Dawn. I am currently located in Los Angeles and I think I'm pretty well versed in the horror genre, 4 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:35,360 especially those 80s classics. A quick fun fact about me? I have a very extensive crystal collection. 5 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:43,920 Hello, I'm Amy. I'm from Kentucky and my area of expertise for this podcast is paranormal. A few fun facts about me. 6 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:50,240 I'm an empath, I collect old dolls and you know, I've never flown on an airplane. Can you believe that? 7 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:56,960 Now, Dawn and I are also obsessed with true crime, so here we are. Talk Gruesome to me. 8 00:00:56,960 --> 00:01:15,120 Hello, we are on number two of our Playboy Trio series. This time, we're just going to kind of go over some of the rumors or the actual ghosts that mostly Holly and Bridget encountered when they were at the mansion. 9 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:28,640 I wanted to include some of the actual history in the mansion and one of the funny things was when I was watching Bridget's podcast episode to prepare, 10 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:42,640 I think she used the same article that I did to gather this information on the history of the mansion because basically everything that she read was the same that I have. 11 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:54,800 That's perfect. Same source. Great mimds think alike. Thank you. Like, right? And maybe does that make it a little more legit? I don't know. Here it is. Let me tell you a little about the mansion. 12 00:01:54,800 --> 00:02:05,840 I just think it's fascinating history of places like this. Hopefully everyone likes hearing about the pre-playboy part of the mansion. 13 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:10,800 I was so glad that was added in. I know. I've talked about on here before. 14 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:21,280 I failed American history, but now that I do investigating, I definitely find it more fascinating. I didn't know in high school that I was going to be doing this. 15 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:32,480 If you could only foresaw it. Foresaw it? For...foreseen? Forseal? Forseal? Forseal? Forseal? To what I don't know. I was in school 87 years ago. I have no idea. 16 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:48,320 Forseen? Yes. Forseen. Forseen? Forseen. There you go. All right. In 1919, Arthur Letz, who was a British born merchandiser, he owned the Broadway department stores. 17 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:59,040 He bought 400 acres in rural Los Angeles County and he named this new development, Holdenby Hills, which he came up with that name 18 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:07,200 because of his childhood village of... and I don't know if I'm saying this right, Holdenby. It's H-O-L-D-E-N-B-Y. 19 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:18,160 He hoped to create a whole neighborhood of rolling estates where the people of Southern California could be riding horses, remember it's 1919. 20 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:28,080 And Sip Champagne in Privileged Peace, which sounds kind of snooty, but I guess if you're rich. Sure. 21 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:33,920 I don't know if you can afford 400 acres, I guess you're Sipping Champagne in Privileged Peace. 22 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:38,880 And he said he wanted it to be a bit of England in America. 23 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:51,760 He ended up turning that development over to his son-in-law, Harold Jans, then Letz died in 1923, and it sounded like that was maybe not expected. 24 00:03:51,760 --> 00:04:20,000 His holdings to his estate ended up going to his son Arthur Letz Jr. After his father died, he and his wife Bessie began construction on what they called a 14th century Gothic imitation mansion on a picture-esque 4.5-acre estate on Sharing Cross Road, which is now the playboy mansion, sort of. 25 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,560 Someone else bought it. For the last many, many years was the playboy mansion. 26 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:43,520 What we know it is. Yeah. Arthur Kelly was chosen as the architect. At the same time that the house was being built, the Broadway chain was also sold to longtime employees, and then Junior, the Letz's son, retired. 27 00:04:43,520 --> 00:05:01,200 The construction kept going on, but now we have new owners. And then in 1931, the couple, the Betz's they divorced, and Junior married the glamorous divorcee, her name was Bard Haywood Van Cot. 28 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:11,840 That sounds like a very fancy name. A lot of name. He met her in Nevada. They made their home in the mansion. That marriage soon ended. 29 00:05:11,840 --> 00:05:21,840 And then he married a devout Christian scientist named Margo. They resided in the mansion until she passed away in 1959. 30 00:05:21,840 --> 00:05:38,320 Then in 1961, a couple of years later, Lewis and Anne Statham, STA, THAM bought the estate. They were a successful couple. They had big ambitions for their new shadow. 31 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:50,240 Over that couple of years, it had lost some of its fanciness and lustre. They took two years to renovate the house and the grounds before they moved in. 32 00:05:50,240 --> 00:06:04,000 They added to Children's Playhouse. That was later converted into an office. It says office away from the office. I guess when you have four acres, you could have multiple offices. 33 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:15,840 And that included a meeting room, a game room, and a trophy room. And unfortunately, died also untimely. It sounded unexpected in 1965. 34 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:25,120 It was kind of dark and empty for a while. But then the husband started having lavish parties and living it up. 35 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:36,240 Having all these high society functions and things like that. Then in 1971, that was when it was acquired by a playboy. 36 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:43,600 It was purchased for $1 million, which I think they said today would be $84 million. It was a lot. 37 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:48,080 I think $84 million is what it's worth now, was it? I don't know. 38 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:56,720 It was a lot of millions more millions than I'll ever say. Correct. The original Playboy Mansion was in Chicago. 39 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:10,640 And so that was acquired by Playboy as well. It was sort of controversial, even though it was Los Angeles, just because he was known for a magazine having naked women and his liberal social politics. 40 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:22,080 Just some info about the mansion in general. It's so tiny. It's only 18,000 square feet. It only has 29 rooms. Can you believe that? How do these people live? 41 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:31,280 Can we just stop and appreciate being able to go into a place like this and renovate it and fix it up how you would like? 42 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:36,720 Because you know if you had this place, you have enough money to put the things that you want in. 43 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:43,600 Oh, the things that you could do. Oh, that's a dream. Not gonna lie. I would love that. 44 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:52,720 Part of the mansion has, there's a wine cellar, which has a really cool prohibition era secret door. 45 00:07:52,720 --> 00:08:00,640 I feel like there are a couple secret doors there. There's a screening room with a built-in pipe organ, a game room, 46 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:09,280 the zoo or aviary buildings. Oh, a pet cemetery. I wonder if that's still there. 47 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:16,400 A tennis and basketball court, a waterfall and a swimming pool area. There's also a patio in a 48 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:23,120 barbecue area, the grotto, a basement gym with a sauna, and then the landscaping includes a 49 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:32,400 coi pond with an artificial stream, a small citrus orchard, two, this is crazy, two well-established 50 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:39,520 forests of tree ferns and redwoods. Bridgett said that it was what the biggest privately-owned, 51 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:46,960 yeah, awesome. I would love that. There's a west wing. That was originally the servant's wing, 52 00:08:47,680 --> 00:08:54,800 and then there were editorial offices for Playboy. Also, the main aviary building is the original 53 00:08:54,800 --> 00:09:03,120 greenhouse with four guest rooms. Hefner's personal suite occupied several rooms on the second and 54 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:09,760 third floors. And then the game room, which is really a game house, is a separate building on one 55 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:19,200 side of the property. The mansion next door, that was acquired in 1996. It was a mirror image of 56 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:27,360 the Playboy layout, just a smaller version. In 2002, Hefner purchased the house across the street 57 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:33,440 and another down the street, and those were used by playmates and other guests who would prefer to 58 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:40,800 stay off the property. That mansion property was busy, so if they wanted somewhere else, they had 59 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:48,320 plenty of options. That little house up the street that the girl's a lot of time's was 60 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:53,040 referred to as the bunny house, which they talked about quite a bit in The Girl's Next Door. 61 00:09:53,920 --> 00:10:04,320 In August 2016, the mansion was bought for, are you ready? $100 million. I don't want to butcher this 62 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:14,160 guy's name. His name is Darren Metropolis. He is the co-owner of Hostess. I support Darren Metropolis 63 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:22,400 by my diet because I love Hostess products. So you're welcome, Darren. I am a little bit 64 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:30,080 kind of like Bridget. It's a little sad to know that it's not going to be like it was, though. 65 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:37,520 Just simply because that's how we've always known it. Yeah, I know. Well, and he did. So in 2018, 66 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:46,160 he started a huge renovation. It's been going on. I think it's almost complete now that renovation, 67 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:54,000 they said, cost about $10 million, which is crazy. He also got, I guess he in the city worked out 68 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:59,840 an agreement where it permanently protects the mansion from demolition, which is pretty cool. 69 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:05,680 And now that we're talking numbers, you said it sold for 100 million, I think, was it 200 and 70 00:11:05,680 --> 00:11:11,600 something million that it's worth now? Like 48 million, some crazy off-the-charts number. I can't 71 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:18,160 remember, but I remember hearing him say it. It has to be probably because if you paid 100 and he's 72 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:27,120 put in 10, it would up the value. Yeah, that's insane to think about. And then another 10 million to 73 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:34,400 go in there and do things the way you would like. A poor person like me, I'm not really poor, but 74 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:40,480 you know what I'm saying compared to that I am. A person like me give me $10 million to do what I 75 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:49,040 want in a big beautiful home. Oh, I'm not gonna do, of course, things like that because I can't 76 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:55,680 imagine probably, but it's gonna be nice. And the style, I like the style. I couldn't imagine. 77 00:11:55,680 --> 00:12:02,320 So I guess let's go ahead and talk about what we came here for, right? The paranormal. Yeah, that's 78 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:08,240 pretty much all the history that I had to catch everybody up on. And I mean, you're gonna hear me say 79 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:14,000 it a million times. You have to kind of put two and two together because paranormal comes with history. 80 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:20,960 You can't have it without it. So I'm like, Dawn, I'm really interested in the history of places, 81 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:29,840 especially places like this.  I'm gonna say we're only getting a couple of people coming 82 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:39,280 forward, but I'm a little bit disappointed that there's not more ghost stories. I know, I thought for sure 83 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:45,840 that when I started searching, I thought for sure there was gonna be a ton and there just wasn't. 84 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:51,120 And the ones that I kept seeing in my research, it was kind of the same few stories over and over. 85 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:57,760 Exactly the same. But with Holly, she spoke about her paranormal experiences. They started ramping up 86 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:03,600 when she was pregnant with her eight-year-old daughter. And for the last eight years, every house that 87 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:09,760 she lived in, it's been haunted. And that's kind of crazy. It's kind of strange that the activity 88 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:16,720 come on after she was pregnant. I like that. She says some things scare her. Like she thinks that someone 89 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:23,120 might have been coming into the house or maybe someone's broken in. But for the most part, she enjoys 90 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:29,120 the activity and things that she does experience. If it's something that follows her around, she's not 91 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:39,440 sure. But who, like I said, knows, you could, I don't know. Could it possibly be? I wonder if, when did 92 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:44,800 she say that she started getting interested into the paranormal? That was probably around the time 93 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:51,280 when she was with Bridget, wasn't it? Yep, her first paranormal experience happened at the mansion. So 94 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:57,760 maybe it is her? Well, I don't know. I wouldn't say that maybe the pregnancy brought it out, which I think 95 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,880 little body changes and things that go on with this can bring it out. I was kind of going that 96 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:09,120 but I'm like, no, wait. She had had experiences before. But yeah, I just find that I like that little 97 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,840 bit from her. And like I said, she doesn't know if it's something that follows around, but that's 98 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:20,560 something that possibly you never know could happen. And Bridget, she has felt a long connection to 99 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:26,400 the other world. She feels like she was born spooky, explaining that she had her first paranormal 100 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:32,080 experience when she was 12 and how she saw her deceased great-grandmother after playing with the 101 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:39,120 Ouija board. And a lot of people are scared to death of a Ouija board. But in my opinion, and we're 102 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:46,080 just going to say my opinion, it's no different than using any other kind of device. You could contact 103 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:53,680 the dead with the Ouija board or with an SB 11 spirit box, both are the same. Now, while she was 104 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:59,440 living in the mansion, she did take classes in the paranormal into paranormal investigation, 105 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:05,680 and she did a lot of research. She went through, she was taking lots of different pictures and videos. 106 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:11,280 And it was kind of, I thought I did like it how they said, have thought it was or have you have her. 107 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,440 I don't know him personally. I gotta say you have her. I'm over here talking like, you know, 108 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:22,960 have. But now you have her. He thought it was kind of cute her, I guess, liked it and wanted to get into 109 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:30,720 it. So he kind of went along and let her do the little mini, the mini stuff and kind of look and see 110 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:37,200 and investigate, I guess, a little bit on her own. One thing, just it's not a big deal, but you said 111 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,200 great-grandmother, but it was her great-grandfather. I just want to make sure we're accurate. No big 112 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:48,320 thing. Sorry. I just want to make sure. Thank you for correcting that. Yeah, of course. She seems like 113 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:57,200 she feels more connected from a very younger age than Holly. Her story kind of is like mine. 114 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:05,200 She's seen her great-grandmother or father, sorry, and I've seen my grandmother. It's like after that, 115 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:12,000 I'm like, are you? You know, it just kind of get it, it catapulted from there. So I totally vibe with that. Yeah, 116 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:17,920 watching all of this stuff, it doesn't surprise me that both of them are into it. And they are 117 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:26,240 just cute as buttons. So cute. We talked about it on the Playboy Murders very briefly. Amy and I both 118 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:31,840 watched The Girls Next Door, which was a really fun reality show. And honestly, I'm not really into 119 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:42,800 reality TV, but I loved The Girls Next Door. One of those episodes called Ghostbusted, it came out 120 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:52,880 2005, which is crazy so long ago. But that episode came out. It was basically them going 121 00:16:52,880 --> 00:17:00,560 through having Halloween parties at the mansion and how that's a really fun time of year. And it's 122 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:07,280 a lot of their favorite holiday. The one story that they talked about the most, 123 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:14,480 Amy will talk about this shortly, but there was a rumor that one of the previous owners jumped 124 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:24,800 from the balcony to the marble floor and died. Bridget talks about a woman who she saw standing in 125 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:32,240 the doorway at the mansion in her bedroom. She was standing in the closet doorway. Bridget didn't 126 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:40,320 believe Mary didn't believe like they weren't sure if the Mrs. Letz story was true or a rumor 127 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:47,680 made up. I don't know if there's a way to ever know that they did have this guy Barry Taff and he 128 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:54,320 brought a guy named Paul Clemens with him to investigate at the mansion on that episode. It was kind 129 00:17:54,320 --> 00:18:00,320 of funny and weird, you know, it was just because of the environment and the girls were dressed in 130 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:06,320 clothes and hair and makeup for a photo shoot that they were in the middle of. So it was a little cheesy 131 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:14,320 and whatever. But I did love watching them use that equipment and they only used a couple pieces, 132 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:24,240 but it was just funny looking at how evolved the equipment has gotten since 2005. They used 133 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:33,120 this equipment. They didn't really get a lot. It was fun to watch. It's fun that whole episode. Watch 134 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:41,920 anything Holly and Bridget can do even if it's goofy or whatever. It's fine. Yeah, totally. It's what it is. 135 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:50,400 You know, Bridget, since she's always sort of had that connection with the paranormal, she's probably 136 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:56,400 more susceptible to things happening or whatever, but she said that she would have feelings of being 137 00:18:56,400 --> 00:19:04,080 watched or whatever. So he took the tri-field and nothing happened in a lot of places or, you know, 138 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:10,880 Kendra didn't set it off. But Bridget made the tri-field go off, which I thought was funny and sort 139 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:17,360 of ironic since she's the one who is the most into it. When he took that tri-field into the doorway 140 00:19:17,360 --> 00:19:23,600 where she saw the apparition, it spiked too. So I don't know. I thought that was kind of interesting 141 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:31,040 that that spiked the library. There's a story that we'll talk about later with one of Holly's dogs. 142 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:38,000 I guess the library always gave them weird vibes or whatever and then there's Holly's dog had an 143 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:45,920 incident that room with the tri-field was setting it off quite a bit all around in different spots. 144 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:52,560 So who knows. The girl said that they unfortunately never got to investigate there. Could you imagine 145 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,800 if you could get in there now with all the equipment we have and just see what it goes on there? 146 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:02,080 I mean, you kind of did in that episode a little. They just didn't have all the equipment. 147 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,920 Well, I say what they're saying. They'd like to go back now and yeah. 148 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:10,160 They also had this psychic medium-comer. Her name was Dorothy. I don't even know if they 149 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:16,400 said her last name and they did a say on it. So with the three girls Hef, and see now I'm calling 150 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:23,120 him Hef. I could offer a psychic medium. I actually have met him so maybe I can call him Hef. 151 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:30,160 She said that she picked up on a female from a long time ago like pre the house being there. 152 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:36,400 The girls kind of... I mean Kendra wasn't really into it from the start so she basically was like 153 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:42,800 that lady's full of shit. Holly thought that she kind of wasn't vibing with the mansion and so she 154 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:47,840 didn't necessarily trust what she was saying just because she didn't get a great feeling from her 155 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:53,200 and then Bridget was also disappointed. Go with your gut girl. Yeah, but I kind of wish they had 156 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:59,520 called someone else too just because they really wanted to have that experience and see what the 157 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:09,360 medium said and then it didn't go well. Imagine how many mediums signed up to come there. You know 158 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:14,720 just because you know that you're gonna get to be on Girls Next Door in the Playboy Mansion. So 159 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:23,280 there is no telling who this individual was. So now today Holly and Bridget have a podcast. They've 160 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:28,880 had it for a couple years and it's called Girls Next Level and the funny thing is this is a total 161 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:36,240 side note. I don't listen to podcasts. Amy listens to them a lot. So when we started this I was like 162 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:42,000 I don't know anything about podcasts. I've never listened to one. Girls Next Level was the one that I 163 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:48,800 listened to an episode or two to kind of see what podcasts are about. So that tells you how much I 164 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:57,040 like them. The premise of their podcast is they go through these Girls Next Door episodes and they 165 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:02,800 just give insider info and talk more in depth about the episodes and they do other things as well. But 166 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:09,520 that seems to be the basic premise of their podcast. And so the recap that they did of that 167 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:15,600 episode, the Girls Next Door that I just told you about the Ghost Busted, they talked about how 168 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:23,280 Bridget, oh yeah, Bridget has tried to find all this info on Mrs. Letz. She's done all this research 169 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:29,920 especially since she took some classes on doing research. She hasn't been able to find anything so far. 170 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:37,840 They talk about how not into the paranormal Hugh Hefner was and that a lot of times when they brought 171 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,800 it up he just didn't even really want to talk about it or entertain it with them. He was just 172 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:49,280 doing it either for the show or just because the girls wanted to do an investigation in the 173 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:55,840 manison. He just wanted them to do it because they wanted to do it but he I don't think that's not his 174 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:02,160 or wasn't his thing. Did you know he was an atheist? I did not know that. I was a little bit and 175 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:06,880 I don't know what I thought. I mean I guess I didn't think anything but I was a little bit surprised 176 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:13,360 by that for some I don't know why. I don't know why I know that but I did. I heard it on the podcast 177 00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:20,000 this morning. Now we have the Girls Next Door show which you can see. I think I watched the I rewatched 178 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:25,200 the episode. I think it was on Amazon Prime and then Girls Next Level podcast which is Holly and 179 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:30,400 Bridget and that's where you get all your podcasts and then we have Ghost Busted. Yeah we both listen 180 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:37,760 to Ghost Bunny and that we listen to Ghost of the Playboy Mansion with Brian OLea. Okay now Brian 181 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:45,040 was guest service at the Mansion for 21 years. He started as a butler, worked his way up and from 182 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:50,960 that podcast seems like a pretty cool dude. He would probably want him on your side if you were in 183 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:56,400 the Mansion. Maybe he would be your buddy to go like he was with Bridget around and sneak it in 184 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:03,440 secret passageways and seeing what is what because that's definitely my kind of thing. He has a radio 185 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:10,400 show. He had what is it called a Mansion Mayhem and he's had that for over seven years. He owns his own 186 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:17,280 production, Advanced Services Company and he has a podcast. He's been having experiences including 187 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:23,440 night tears since he was a kid and that's why he's never messed with the paranormal. His mama warned 188 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:28,160 him don't mess with something that you don't know what you're dealing with and what you're inviting 189 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:35,360 in so I believe that he has pretty well took that and he did that advice. Now Bridget she kind of 190 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:40,400 does what Dawn did in the beginning of the podcast. She reads the history of the women living in the 191 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:47,040 house before Playboy acquired it. She's trying to debunk the mislets dying on the back and balcony 192 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:56,080 the balcony stairs theory. Let me slow myself down there so I can speak to you. One of the mansion 193 00:24:56,080 --> 00:25:02,640 butlers Carlyna says one day they were looking everywhere for Holly's dog Panda going back to where 194 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:08,320 Dawn was talking about that earlier and Panda that way they talked was the kind of dog that like to 195 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:13,760 be just like mine. He's at my feet right now laying the whole time I've been doing this podcast just 196 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:21,040 likes to be around people. Now the funny thing they find her in the room by herself in the library. 197 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:26,560 She's laying on the couch alone looking up and what she was doing she was kind of you know how an 198 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:33,600 animal like sitting there as if maybe a person was petting her so that was definitely kind of out 199 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:39,520 of character for that dog and they thought that was kind of crazy especially why wouldn't Panda 200 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,720 have come with other dogs for feeding time because that's what they were doing so yeah when they did go 201 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:50,320 find her they was like okay so something's going on with Panda. Brian said one time the house keeping 202 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:56,400 was freaked out they were cleaning in the game house then it has a great big door it's heavy it was 203 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:02,960 open and it slammed shut and the piano made a noise it opened inside so the wind couldn't have 204 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:08,400 closed it that really freaked them out they always wanted someone else to go with them when they 205 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:14,720 cleaned after that they didn't want to be alone. Now Heftner's son Cooper had a meeting in the library 206 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:20,960 and Brian was telling Cooper to be fast there's two doors to the library and security would always 207 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:26,880 be set near them. After Brian called security to let them know as soon as Cooper's done because 208 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,840 he said that the mansion was kind of ran on a tight schedule and he had to get things done when he 209 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:38,160 had to get them done. Security tells Brian that Cooper left Brian goes in and the doors are locked 210 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,200 both are locked from the inside they aren't the kind that lock from the outside you can't 211 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:49,680 accidentally lock them by shutting them they lock from the inside. Now security uses the key and 212 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:56,480 the doors won't unlock and confirms that they did see Cooper leave. Security and Brian walk back to 213 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:03,120 the library the door is open and the other door is now unlocked. Staff would get phone calls from 214 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:09,760 girls freaking out here and things. Brian's mom passed and at the moment of her passing she appears 215 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:16,240 to him and while he was working on an event and he knew that that moment that the reason she had came 216 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:22,640 was because she had passed and blesses heart he got really choked up speaking about that like that 217 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:29,200 really that tugged at my heart I'm sorry I know you'll never listen to this Brian but I'm sorry. 218 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:35,280 Now he's also thinking about writing a book about the afterlife and the paranormal and he's going 219 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:40,720 to explain the host experience with his mom and that as well. There's also a rumor that one of the 220 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:48,160 original owners mislets jumped, fell, or was pushed off the balcony and onto the marble floor and 221 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:54,400 passed away don told you about that earlier. The legend the rumor whatever you would like to refer to 222 00:27:54,400 --> 00:28:00,560 it is is that she hunts the mansion still to this day. When Bridget was researching for one of the 223 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:07,280 paranormal classes she tries to find proof that someone did die in the house but she wasn't actually 224 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:14,000 able to though she says that she wants to do a little bit more research and now she's a little more 225 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:21,520 skilled so I hope that she is going to be able to do so and I'm going to say maybe being who she is 226 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:27,840 and some of the contacts that she has it would be a little easier to do so as well. Holly said she 227 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:35,040 talked to Hugh Hefner about her paranormal experiences but he's not a believer and told her the story 228 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:41,200 of mislets was made up by a woman that he dated in the 80s and that it was just made up and they 229 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,760 told that story just to scare some of the new girls that were coming in and out of the mansion. 230 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:53,120 If that's true though that's kind of funny. Yeah and whoever I would really like to know if it's true 231 00:28:53,120 --> 00:29:00,000 and I bet you that every time that she hears this story or even us telling the story whoever she 232 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:06,320 gets a big giggle out of it in the back of her head. I definitely would. Yeah I'm just going to go over 233 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:14,480 Bridget and Holly their first experiences in the actual mansion so Bridget said that one day 234 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:23,840 she was in her room. She saw a woman standing in her closet doorway. The woman was pale, thin, 235 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:33,280 she had black stringy hair. She was wearing a white oversized t-shirt and black acid wash jeans 236 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:40,720 and that she looked more modern day so she didn't think it was Mrs. Betz the rumors. 237 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:47,440 She didn't think it was part of that and she didn't think it was any of the other previous owners 238 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:54,800 because this woman looked modern day. I guess there was a woman named Joni who was at the 239 00:29:54,800 --> 00:30:02,400 mansion. Amy just told me before this that she was in Playboy. I didn't realize that but she worked 240 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:10,240 at the mansion and she helps with the pets and guests back in the day. She actually had past of cancer. 241 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:20,480 She was a knockout gorgeous, gorgeous lady. Yeah Amy showed me a picture of her. So on Bridget's 242 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:29,120 podcast with Brian we hear the story and Bridget says that she goes into the story and she's telling 243 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,000 Brian the physical description of what she saw which is very detailed by the way I love that 244 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:43,440 and then Brian says oh maybe it's Joni without Bridget even suggesting that she thinks it might be Joni 245 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:49,120 which I thought was really crazy that that was the person that he came up with and he said that 246 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:57,600 that looked like how Joni used to dress and so Bridget says that one of the employees used to 247 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:04,000 also tell her that she thought that Joni looked like Mrs. Betz which is just another little interesting 248 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:13,520 tidbit. I don't know if any of it is real or if it's Joni or who it could be obviously again with 249 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:21,040 love to investigate there. I kind of like Bridget's theory that maybe Joni as the house mom who cared 250 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:26,080 for the animals and everything. Maybe she was coming to welcome the little dog that she had just 251 00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:32,560 brought home. What was the dog's name? I can't remember a little pomeranium. Winnie? She had just come back 252 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:38,000 with Winnie and she was kind of think she said Winnie was in the little play pin area that she'd had 253 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:44,480 up for sleeping because she had a big day from the traveling and she was kind of maybe hoping thinking 254 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:50,400 that it was a positive visit and she was just there to meet Winnie and just by accident maybe was 255 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:57,840 seen. I like that. That's cute. I know it's a great story if it really was Joni because it would make 256 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:06,080 sense to why she was there to see the new little puppy. Holly saw a ghost too while she was in the 257 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:12,880 basement gym. She saw a woman come out of the bathroom across in front of her and then out of 258 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:21,200 her line of vision. The woman was more contemporary looking. She was wearing a hot pink sports bra 259 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:29,760 and black workout pants. Holly thought well maybe she was a playmate and Holly walked around the corner 260 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:38,160 to see where that woman went and no one was there. I love how she kind of made it make sense to 261 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:44,080 herself because at the time that was her she was just newly there and she didn't know the people 262 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:49,280 coming and going because at that time she wasn't given the tours. So she just thought that it was one 263 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,240 of the random women coming and going. I like how she said she was even working out and she kind of 264 00:32:54,240 --> 00:33:01,520 waved and smiled. I like that. That's pretty if that's an awesome account right there. And she did 265 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:09,520 say that the way that the person exited there would have been no way for Holly not to see her again. 266 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:15,760 So basically the woman just vanished and she never saw her again in her whole life. Even Brian 267 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:21,760 guessed services and he was all through the place because he took care of a lot of the vents and 268 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:28,880 these were a little storage areas. So even Brian said that she would have had to come back out where 269 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:34,320 Holly would have seen her again. If she'd went through that little area it would have went nowhere. 270 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:40,000 It was just a little closet where they kept what was it prints and pictures, picture frames and stuff. 271 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:45,200 Yeah. I like those two stories. Yeah those were their first experiences there. 272 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:52,400 Another time Holly and Bridget were scrapbooking in Bridget's room and Holly said that she was needing 273 00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:58,880 just a little bit more proof about the paranormal. They were discussing it and she said she wasn't sure 274 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:04,480 if she believed. She said she needed that proof to kind of be like I guess we're going to like 275 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:12,800 Dawn. You need it bam in your face to be able to prove. So yeah right when she said that she got 276 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:21,200 her side. At that moment the TV turned on and the volume went up to full blast. The TV in her room 277 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:27,600 would also change channels. It was very it was very weird how that TV would work in there. 278 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:34,000 Now Bridget's room there is also a guy who stayed. He said that he would have experience in the bathroom. 279 00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:39,440 I wish they'd have known who he was but they wasn't able to give a name who he was. Bridget said that 280 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:47,760 he heftner visited her once in her dreams. She drove into the mansion and his music was playing. 281 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:53,680 She went to the breakfast room to wait and he comes running down the stairs open arms. My darling 282 00:34:53,680 --> 00:35:00,080 she could smell his cologne. He was super happy and she felt like it was her way to say goodbye and 283 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:09,360 get closure. You know even whatever your parting would be I do like that. I mean if she 284 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:16,400 felt that that was her closure that's that's a little bit of peaceful ending. And then on the 285 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:22,880 TVs and we were talking about how the volume would go up the TV would change channels or it would go 286 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:29,920 off. She said that she went as far as to go up and speak to the people who she called them the 287 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:35,760 human T-bo's. They would record all of Hugh Heftner's videos and things that he wanted to watch 288 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,400 so that he could go back and watch him because he ain't got time to sit down the afternoon and 289 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:45,680 watching episode of anything. You know he's going to watch it later on. So she went up there and she 290 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:52,560 said is anything going on or have you been working with my TV maybe changing the channels and they 291 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:59,920 laughed at her because the TVs were remember your old school big box heavy. Oh my gosh them things 292 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:06,720 weighed like 50 or 60 pounds. It was one of those kind of TVs and they was like have you seen your 293 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:15,920 TV we can't do anything to it. That also and Brian he laughed that also kind of got me thinking you know 294 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:23,120 if the TV was going out they would have just simply replaced it so I don't know we all know 295 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:30,720 that spirits are able to work with electronics so maybe that's yeah I like that story as well. Stacey 296 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:36,560 Burke she used to live at the mansion and she was a girlfriend of Hugh Heftner. There was one time 297 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:44,720 back to a story so in that room you have Stacey Burke, Bridget and her sister they all see this woman 298 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:50,880 and then the woman vanished. Y'all have no many times have have no idea how many times we have 299 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:56,640 paused this just trying to get through so I'm not even going to stop it now. They saw the woman she 300 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:03,600 vanished. Bridget sister saw it too and also you can go I'm not sure of Stacey Burke's YouTube 301 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:12,160 channel but you can go to that she also shares that story on there as well. Yeah let's just end this 302 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:21,440 because I'm having an allergy attack we just had to pause for a while so I don't even have I don't 303 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:27,360 even know if I'm going to start calling again. A couple of our little stops can make some good little 304 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:33,280 bloopers for sure. True not an allergy attack but they're not we're both allergy folks so no we 305 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:39,680 won't we won't go there but maybe my flip flopping words and all that good stuff can make some. 306 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:47,280 Yeah I would guess we probably stopped this more than 10 times. All right let's rate all of these 307 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:59,120 why not girls next door 10 same love it Girls Next Level so I only listen to this episode and then 308 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:05,920 when we first thought about doing our podcast I listened to one or two of the first episodes. I 309 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:12,960 don't know that I can give a great reading because that's all I watched but sure I'm just going to go 310 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:20,640 with 10 because I love them and I enjoyed the ones that I listened. I'm going to actually start 311 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:25,840 listening. I mean you know what I'm doing the paint and cabinets and all that stuff at the 312 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:31,040 duplocks right now redoing it so I kind of thought about that earlier. Of course I'm going to listen to 313 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:40,240 our episode tomorrow but after that I think I'm gonna start with a little bit of the girls. Yes and then 314 00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:47,120 Ghost Bunny that's the only one that I listened to I loved Brian I don't know it's fun I actually 315 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:55,200 watched it on YouTube but I did both I'll just it was fun I'll just give all three attend just for fun 316 00:38:55,200 --> 00:39:02,480 why not we love Bridget and Holly yeah love yeah I should do that and next week you know what I found 317 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:10,240 that Amy didn't know either they did a horror movie and part of it at least from what I saw was 318 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:18,800 filmed at the mansion so that's our last part of our trio for the horror portion so I'm happy 319 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,880 to be watching that I think it was called the telling but I can't swear to that yeah that's 320 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:29,360 gonna be exciting I can't wait to actually sit down and watch that I know me too yay we'll meet back 321 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:35,440 here in a week and hopefully I won't have an allergy attack and we'll get our shit together 322 00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:42,880 hey all it doesn't matter how many times we stop all that matters is what it sounds like when we put 323 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:50,160 it out yeah oh boy all right it's been real thanks see you later. Bye. Bye. 324 00:39:50,160 --> 00:40:01,440 Thanks for making it to the end and hanging out with us keep on the lookout for our next episode 325 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,760 and stay gruesome 326 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:15,760 [Music]