1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,000 [Music] 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,920 Hello and welcome to our podcast Talk Gruesome to Me, where we talk about movies and shows 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,800 that cover true crime, paranormal, and horror. 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,600 I am one of your hosts, Dawn. 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:27,400 I am currently located in Los Angeles and I think I'm pretty well versed in the horror 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:28,400 genre. 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,000 Especially those 80s classics. 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,720 A quick fun fact about me? 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,720 I have a very extensive crystal collection. 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,720 Hello, I'm Amy. 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:42,280 I'm from Kentucky and my area of expertise for this podcast is paranormal. 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,000 A few fun facts about me. 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,000 I'm an empath. 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,120 I collect old dolls and you know, I've never flown on an airplane. 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,480 Can you believe that? 16 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:54,920 Now Dawn and I are also obsessed with true crime, so here we are. 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,840 Talk Gruesome to Me. 18 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:58,840 Welcome in. 19 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,280 This week we're coming in with an episode about movies. 20 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,560 You know how sometimes we throw those old 80s horror classics in where this time we're 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:13,400 going back to 1979 and also doing a remake of it that happened in 2005. 22 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,920 We're starting with the Amityville Horror. 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:21,520 Most everybody knows what it is and when you see the house or you hear the name, you know 24 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:23,200 exactly what we're talking about. 25 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,440 For this episode, what we're going to do is we're going to do a comparison of the two. 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,280 We're kind of running short on time this week. 27 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,280 So this one might be a little bit shorter. 28 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,960 I'm not sure how long I can actually sit here if I'm quite being honest because I don't 29 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:40,600 know if you all knew, but I have had the surgery and I'm in recovery now. 30 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,480 Dawn's got some stuff she's got to do. 31 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,080 She's got some secretive. 32 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:45,640 I can't even say what I'm excited. 33 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,040 Some secret stuff coming and she's got to get that all worked out. 34 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,040 But here we go. 35 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,280 The Amityville Horror. 36 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:57,400 The original was in 1979 and then like I said, the remake that was in 2005. 37 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:05,280 In 2005, the 1979 original, that was more of your slow paced in 1980s, 70s classic horror 38 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:06,440 story. 39 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:12,800 It had long suspenseful shots, heavy atmosphere and a psychological tension about it. 40 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,200 It leans more into the outright scares. 41 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:19,080 Just the heavy, here it is. 42 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,880 It's haunted and you're terribly spooked. 43 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:26,360 Now the 2005 remake, that was of course faster, darker, more graphic. 44 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:31,760 It takes a modern approach with of course you got the jump scares and tense editing and 45 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,160 the grittier, more violent tone. 46 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:35,480 You know how we do it now. 47 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,640 It's not like the old times. 48 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:43,320 No and I know we review at the end so that's coming. 49 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:51,480 But I'm always going to pick an older movie over a more modern movie. 50 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,320 I don't know. 51 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,640 It just, I'll wait for the end. 52 00:02:55,640 --> 00:03:00,680 I just have, I don't know, at the 2005. 53 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:05,480 I feel like a broken record every time when we do a comparison. 54 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:12,440 I feel like I always say the same things of how much I love older movies compared to more 55 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:13,440 modern day. 56 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,280 I will say, not that we're covering this but we covered it in the past. 57 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,440 The one that stands out is the conjuring. 58 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:27,680 The thing is that was set in the 70s so maybe it just kind of felt like one of the older movies 59 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,960 and James Wan does longer shots and things like that. 60 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:37,760 So this one was no James Wan great remake in my opinion. 61 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,680 I'm not going to lie. 62 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,960 I think one time I'd got up and went to the restroom and I didn't pause it. 63 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:49,720 I come back and I wasn't sure if I was even still watching Amity Bill or. 64 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:55,400 You know, it just didn't have the original feel to it. 65 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,440 Yeah, it never does. 66 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:58,960 Here's the thing. 67 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:01,360 I'm sure there are a couple. 68 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:11,160 Actually there are a couple remakes that are good for I would say 95% or more of movies. 69 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:17,720 You can't outdo the original for a lot of reasons but it just never works. 70 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:23,480 I feel like we're in this right of movies where they're just remaking everything. 71 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:31,320 Yes and I feel the same way about part one, two, three, four, fifteen, eighteen. 72 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:34,800 You just need to do it once, maybe twice. 73 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,080 Yeah, just we don't have to have all that. 74 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:39,080 I think there's no more. 75 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:40,080 No, no. 76 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,080 No, no. 77 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,080 No, no. 78 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,760 Specifically, well let's talk about so the original as far as like tone and style. 79 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,760 Something that you explained is why I love those old movies. 80 00:04:51,760 --> 00:05:01,160 The tension and it's not all about big jump scares and like fast cuts in the editing and 81 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,160 all that. 82 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:10,800 I just, there's so much more than just the look and feel of older horror movies or movies 83 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,120 in general. 84 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:19,600 The way that they did things that wasn't all CG and it was let's just let this record and 85 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:25,560 see how long of a take we can do which I freaking love, love, love. 86 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:31,400 And you don't have the jump scares as much like you said but you have the cool little sound 87 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:38,080 effects that lead you and it's like I don't know maybe similar to a jump scare because it's 88 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:41,760 still get you that something's going to go but you're not scared. 89 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:42,760 Love it. 90 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:43,760 Agree. 91 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:50,360 The next comparison, let's talk about the Lutz family who obviously is at the center of 92 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:52,040 these movies. 93 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:59,800 The 1979 George and Kathy Lutz are portrayed with a focus on their marriage and how that's 94 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:05,240 kind of slowly unraveling due to the house's influence. 95 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:07,640 And George's descent is more gradual. 96 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,800 He starts getting cold and irritable. 97 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:15,480 He's obsessed with the temperature in the house and the firewood and you see you know 98 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,800 a lot of him chopping the wood up. 99 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:24,640 Then the 2005, George is way more aggressive and darker. 100 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:31,880 He becomes physically threatening to Kathy and the kids which heightens the danger and 101 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:37,480 then makes the quote unquote possession element more extreme. 102 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:43,080 Some of the things I don't know, I just thought were kind of unnecessary and the new one, I 103 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:49,760 don't know, I just felt like the differences in their relationship and the sort of more 104 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:51,640 aggressive towards her and the kids. 105 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:56,120 I don't know, I just felt like it wasn't really necessary to do that. 106 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:02,880 Well, if you're wanting to remake, you are remaking an actual supposedly, I mean, of course 107 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:08,240 we can't say whether any of this is 100% true or not, but supposedly true story, you 108 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,920 think you would remake it a little more to fit with the true storyline. 109 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,120 Yeah, and it makes me wonder. 110 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:23,160 So I know the 79 one, the Lutz's were somewhat involved, but the 2005 it makes me wonder. 111 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:28,680 When I was thinking this while I was watching it, I was wondering how much input they had 112 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:36,020 into the 2005 one because while there were so many similarities and they tried to keep 113 00:07:36,020 --> 00:07:41,880 a lot of it the same as the original, there were also these differences. 114 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,960 Maybe they just had a lot less to do with the remake. 115 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,480 I don't know, yeah, that's a good, that's a good question. 116 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,640 I kind of like to know that myself, but I will tell you. 117 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,920 2005 didn't win with me on George Lutz. 118 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:03,320 This George Lutz did not look anything similar to the real one and they just got all that, 119 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:05,560 you know what I'm saying, all of that was so close. 120 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:10,920 I don't know, just like having Ryan Reynolds have his shirt off all the time was why? 121 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:12,760 Like, what are we doing? 122 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,120 Because I guess he's supposed to be a heartthrope. 123 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:20,920 I know, but it's a story about him being a murderer or not a romcom. 124 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:21,920 I don't know. 125 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:29,480 Or not a murderer, but sorry, yeah, not a murderer, a possessed man that is maybe going to 126 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:30,480 murder his family. 127 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,280 He looks like he could go down that path. 128 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:34,680 Totally. 129 00:08:34,680 --> 00:08:35,680 Yeah. 130 00:08:35,680 --> 00:08:41,840 I really like tell they got the looks down so well with the first one on George. 131 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,480 I don't know, that just always stuck with me. 132 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,120 Like, how did you scout someone that looked just like him? 133 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,160 Yeah, that's the other thing, the cast. 134 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,160 Yes. 135 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:53,920 I loved the cast and the first one so much and it's not that I didn't like the cast and 136 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,440 the second one actually. 137 00:08:55,440 --> 00:09:01,600 Oh my gosh, the little girl, Chloe, I forget her last name, it begins with an M. She's amazing. 138 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:07,200 It's just, I don't know, just a difference I guess and maybe we're just stuck in our ways. 139 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:08,480 I am for sure. 140 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:09,480 The original folks. 141 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,480 Yeah, I admit it. 142 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:13,960 We're the original folks over here. 143 00:09:13,960 --> 00:09:17,480 Now I guess we can go ahead and we can talk about the house differences. 144 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:22,040 So when we get to the house, the 1979 house, it's unsettling but subtle. 145 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:26,080 The bleeding walls, flies, then famous glowing red eyes in the window. 146 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:33,440 The horror is more supernatural suggested than the gory type like in 2005 where the house 147 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:39,280 is given a darker backstory with flashbacks to a sadistic preacher who tortured Native American 148 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:45,160 Indians and children in the basement that while it turns the home into more of a literal 149 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,280 side of torture and bloodshed. 150 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:52,520 A shifting from the suggestion to outright backstory driven horror so you can definitely 151 00:09:52,520 --> 00:10:00,960 see the differences in the way they set the storyline for the house up in 1979 in 2005. 152 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:07,760 I know when I was watching the 2005 version and we got to that, I was like, okay. 153 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:08,760 Yeah. 154 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:14,280 Again, it's just that suggested terror stuff just gets me. 155 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,280 I love it. 156 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:20,560 And where did they even come up with the preacher torture in the Native Americans? 157 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:26,200 Yeah, I was a little surprised at some of the stuff that came in that was made up because 158 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:33,840 it's supposed to be based on a true story but I guess with most or a lot of movies that 159 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,720 are based on true stories, they're kind of have to put in stuff for a dramatic effect. 160 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:39,720 It sells more. 161 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:46,560 So yeah, I agree with exactly what you're saying, anything to make someone want to come back 162 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:54,440 and watch a remake of an older movie like that, anything that you can put into the commercials 163 00:10:54,440 --> 00:11:01,160 or the sneak peeks would definitely, yeah, that would bring people of our day and time 164 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:02,160 back in. 165 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,160 I get it. 166 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:08,760 And I try to remember just movies need to change with the times, you know, it's just 167 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:09,760 a faster time. 168 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:10,760 Right. 169 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:15,440 Even 2005 was a faster time than 1979, you know. 170 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:23,160 So for movies to kind of keep up with the times and everyone having 20 tablets and phones 171 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:29,040 and computers and our brains just moved differently now than they did 40 years ago. 172 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:33,680 So I try to keep that in mind, but I just can't. 173 00:11:33,680 --> 00:11:40,200 And listen, my brain moves fat like I'm always thinking I don't know how many things at a time, 174 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:49,840 but I still just love that slowness and that anticipation and everything not being big 175 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:50,840 huge. 176 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:51,840 I don't know. 177 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:56,680 It's weird because it's, it goes against my brain, but I love it. 178 00:11:56,680 --> 00:12:04,680 Well, it kind of takes me to the feeling that this was not ever considered a true story, 179 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:11,600 that it was all brought up and made up by some writer with a really interesting and out 180 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,360 there way of looking at things. 181 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:21,160 I will say one thing about the house in the 2005 that I loved was the roof scene, spoilers 182 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:22,160 everybody. 183 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:27,240 I was like thinking the whole time like imagine you're so fucking up there, how scary that 184 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:28,240 would be. 185 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:31,080 I'm not going to be with Jody. 186 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:32,880 I'm gonna stay right here. 187 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:33,880 All right. 188 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,400 You're on your own kid. 189 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,200 I loved that scene. 190 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:43,320 I don't, it was, that was definitely a suspenseful. 191 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:44,320 That was. 192 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:45,320 Yeah, that was a good scene. 193 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:46,320 I did like that. 194 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,960 I will agree with you on that because you don't know, I'll know if you're gonna fall. 195 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:50,960 Bam! 196 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,960 Right into the ribs, Carter. 197 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:53,960 Yep. 198 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:54,960 All right. 199 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:00,600 And then for visuals and effects, 1979, and we've already talked a little bit about this, 200 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:06,280 they were more practical effects with things like eerie lighting and the sound design. 201 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,480 Listen, it's dated now. 202 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:09,720 It's just what it is. 203 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:15,240 But it captures that greedy late '70s atmosphere, which love. 204 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:16,240 You're right. 205 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:23,520 In 2005, which I already said, it uses a lot of CG and it has more modern effects, you 206 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:30,320 know, like ghostly apparitions, distorted faces, nightmare visions, all that kind of stuff. 207 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:35,200 And it's just a lot more in your face as compared to the original. 208 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:42,040 I will say, I feel like everything that comes out of my mouth is like, I love 1979. 209 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:44,400 But that score. 210 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,120 Oh my gosh. 211 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:53,920 It had so much to do with the anticipation, the music coming in and growing and growing 212 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:54,920 and growing. 213 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:55,920 Oh man. 214 00:13:55,920 --> 00:14:01,040 I probably thought about the score at least five times during that movie of how amazing 215 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:02,040 it is. 216 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:03,040 Not surprised. 217 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:04,040 I know. 218 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,760 And we've talked about this before. 219 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,240 I mean, sure, CG's fine and all. 220 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:12,240 I don't know. 221 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:14,240 I prefer my horror without it. 222 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:15,240 I just do. 223 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:17,080 Well, I don't know. 224 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:22,880 I think I'm still leaning toward it's supposed to be of a true story. 225 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:27,480 We know that things were just, you know, things were added to the 1979 version, but you know 226 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,120 that definitely other things were added to the 2005. 227 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:33,120 That's for sure. 228 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,080 That's the other thing. 229 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:39,520 I felt like the original was just more true to the actual story. 230 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:40,520 Yeah. 231 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,520 Of what we've heard. 232 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,520 Right. 233 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,000 You know, just the original what you, when you see the house, when you hear the name, what 234 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:50,920 you think of, that was more toward what we all know. 235 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,240 So yeah. 236 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:59,760 Now for performances in 1979, James Brolin and Margot Kitter, they played George and Cathy. 237 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:04,040 They played it grounded, keeping it mostly psychological horror. 238 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:08,160 And George's transformation, it felt slower and more believable. 239 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:13,480 It wasn't as threatening toward the family, as Don said earlier. 240 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:19,320 In the 2005 version, Ryan Reynolds, he surprised many by playing against type, dark, menacing, 241 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,320 and frightening. 242 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,880 Melissa George, that's who played Kathy. 243 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,800 She takes on a stronger protective mother row. 244 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:30,120 The performances feel more heightened to match the film's intensity. 245 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:34,840 Like Dawn said, he was just downright ugly to her. 246 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,760 And she was the one who was always, you know, she had the kids. 247 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:43,920 She was trying to shield them from all the abuse and seeing what he had actually really quickly 248 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:50,520 became because like in two, in the 1979, it was a different and slower transition. 249 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:55,560 And of course, they didn't speak about it, but I don't feel like the kids noticed it as 250 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,720 much as in the 2005 version. 251 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:03,440 Like it was, took longer for them to notice that something's going on with dad. 252 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:07,240 I know it makes me wonder about Kathy's role. 253 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:13,560 If she had more input in the original, was she not as concerned about the kids? 254 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:18,840 Was she more concerned about George or maybe didn't understand as much what was going 255 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,760 on than in the 2005 version? 256 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:22,760 I don't know. 257 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:29,000 It just makes me wonder more about her role in the real life situation. 258 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:30,000 I agree. 259 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:34,880 But do you think that maybe they could have brought out her more protective side because 260 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:42,240 of the way they pulled out George's ugly, mean and destructive want to kill you side? 261 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:43,240 I don't know. 262 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:44,240 I don't know. 263 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,240 I mean, maybe it was just to counter his behavior. 264 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:48,240 Maybe. 265 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:53,320 But I would really, I'm like you, I would like to, I just like to sit and listen to her 266 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:54,320 and heal. 267 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:59,840 Kathy and George, the real luts, is talk about their experiences more than what we've seen. 268 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:04,560 I know, but I feel like, so there are these debates, you know, was the story real or not 269 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:10,880 and so just listening to them talk about it, then you have to wonder if it was all an actor, 270 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,720 if it was real, I don't know. 271 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:14,720 Yeah. 272 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,560 I agree because you, I mean, to this day we're still questioning. 273 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:19,560 I know, right? 274 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:21,400 I hate to be that way. 275 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:26,600 And I'm the first one to tell you, I think that possibilities are endless and things that 276 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,680 could happen, but man, I don't know. 277 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:30,680 Yeah. 278 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,000 Kind of going off that note, just the story differences. 279 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:41,560 So, you know, the 1979 one, it stays closer to Jay Anson's book, which focused on the alleged 280 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:45,280 real hauntings of the luts family. 281 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:51,320 And it was more of like a traditional haunted house movie type thing. 282 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:59,640 But then the 2005, as you said, it added in some lore and they had creepy child ghosts, the 283 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,760 basement torture like you talked about, those weren't in the original story and probably 284 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:10,560 were just completely fabricated for this and then feels more like, you know, like a Hollywood 285 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:14,880 horror film than a true story remake I feel like. 286 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:22,680 Not to me, but like maybe to the Native Americans that live around that area, that seems 287 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:23,920 pretty disrespectful. 288 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:24,920 Right. 289 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:30,960 Like, you're not disrespecting me, but I can see how it could be very disrespectful to 290 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:32,880 them and that bothers me. 291 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:40,240 In researching this story in general, you know, I both found that the whole Native American 292 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:45,200 involvement in that area is debated by some people. 293 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:51,760 We don't even know, I mean, the movie completely made stuff up as far as that goes, but we don't 294 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:58,640 even know still if there were natives in the area because some people say there were 295 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:00,520 and some people say there weren't. 296 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:02,080 Yeah, I don't know. 297 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:08,240 Like I said, it's not a jab at like us personally as in white folk Caucasian, whatever you want 298 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:13,280 to call us, but when you possibly could have offended someone else, that kind of bothers 299 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:14,800 me or does bother me. 300 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,080 I'm not going to say, kind of, you guys know me. 301 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:18,080 I don't know. 302 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,320 I just, I thought about that as well during that story part. 303 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,600 Yeah, it was a little weird that they went with that. 304 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:29,480 Listen, 2005 wasn't quite as PC, obviously, 20 years later, 2025. 305 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,760 So I'm sure that had something to do with it. 306 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:33,760 Sure. 307 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,920 It didn't seem necessary to throw that in. 308 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,440 I mean, they could have, if they were going to come up with something to make it more 309 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:46,600 modern day, scarier or whatever, they could have come up with a million things other than 310 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:47,600 that. 311 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,920 And even just someone being buried on the property like they started with, right? 312 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,600 I mean, that's enough right there sometimes. 313 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:57,600 Just saying. 314 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:58,600 There you go. 315 00:19:58,600 --> 00:19:59,600 Yeah, just saying. 316 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,920 That was a suggestion you could have rode with that one. 317 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:03,920 Yeah, weird. 318 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,800 Because I mean, isn't that, I know we kind of touched on at the beginning, isn't that 319 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:14,440 truly speculated that he is resting somewhere around that vicinity? 320 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,120 Speculated, yeah. 321 00:20:16,120 --> 00:20:17,120 That's what I thought. 322 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:20,600 I mean, yeah, you could have just went with that because that's speculated. 323 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:21,600 See, I could write movies. 324 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:22,600 Do it. 325 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:24,960 I know you just came up with a new plot just now. 326 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,920 Yeah, and I didn't, unless the catch-homes, I mean, I didn't offend anybody. 327 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,440 But that's not offended anybody because there's speculation that his body's resting there. 328 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:34,440 So, hey, see, I got this. 329 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:35,440 Yeah. 330 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:36,440 Totally down. 331 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:37,440 But yeah, yeah. 332 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:38,440 I don't know. 333 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,640 That part just really was like, wah. 334 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:46,920 The overall impact, the 1979 original, it's a slow atmospheric classic of the 335 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:48,520 haunted house, John Naree. 336 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,240 It's creepy, restrained, and more about tension than blood. 337 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:57,960 Yeah, it was totally, totally different when you hit 2005 on the remake. 338 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,920 It's a slick, modern horror film, scarier. 339 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:06,120 For some, due to its intensity, but criticized for being a little too over-the-top and strained 340 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:08,600 from the original true story feel. 341 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:14,200 And of course, we have touched on that at gazillion times during this podcast. 342 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,200 I don't know. 343 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,200 But really, to me, is an remake. 344 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:21,000 Let's do more originals and stop doing remakes. 345 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,360 Well, if you want to remake it, that's okay. 346 00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:25,800 Give it your good go. 347 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:32,440 But if you're remake in a story that's supposed to have happened, stay within those storylines. 348 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,680 Yeah, I feel like it's weirder. 349 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:38,920 Okay, let's talk about Michael Myers, clearly not a true movie. 350 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:44,080 So you do multiple versions of that movie. 351 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:45,080 It's okay. 352 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:46,640 It's not a true story. 353 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:54,480 But for a true story to throw in things to make it more horror-like, just doesn't seem 354 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,280 like the right thing to do. 355 00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:03,560 I mean, just put yourself in the luts as any of their places, the ones that are still living, 356 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,120 watching that film. 357 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:08,280 If they even did, they might not even wanted to. 358 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:09,760 Like what have you done to my story? 359 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,880 You've made a complete mockery of it for one. 360 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:13,880 That's what I was saying. 361 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:19,880 I wonder how much input they had in the 2005, because if we're going back to the luts's 362 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,720 did this for money, then they wouldn't care. 363 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,360 They're like, "Sure, just give me my money, say whatever you want." 364 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:26,360 Right. 365 00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:27,360 You know what I mean? 366 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:28,360 We don't know. 367 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:33,200 Do you know if there wasn't anything made off the 2005 version for the old blusher? 368 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:34,200 I don't know. 369 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,200 I don't know either. 370 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,880 And I mean, really, they didn't even make the money they thought they was going to make. 371 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,160 So that is true. 372 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,480 If it was fake, then it was jokes on you. 373 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:46,480 Yeah. 374 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:51,440 I will say this is our third installment of Amityville. 375 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:57,480 And so we talked, we did one episode about a documentary that Danny Lutz did. 376 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:03,440 He supported everything that the luts said and, you know, said, "Oh, there was the green 377 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,800 stuff in the walls and the beds would lift." 378 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:13,920 Like he basically validated everything at the time I said he hated George. 379 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:22,280 And so I felt like it gave it a little, I don't know, more believability that he, in real 380 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:27,200 life, hated George because you would think if you hate someone, you would be like, "They're 381 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,240 a liar, everything they say is a lie." 382 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,160 You try to throw him under the bus for sure. 383 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:32,160 Yeah. 384 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,160 Yeah. 385 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:38,120 It kind of made me feel like that was validation. 386 00:23:38,120 --> 00:23:45,000 However, I'm going to say two weeks ago, my sister and I watched a documentary. 387 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:49,840 It was on MGM Plus and it was called Amityville and origin Story. 388 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,000 And it had the other luts brother on it. 389 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,200 I think his name is Christopher. 390 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,560 He refuted it. 391 00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:02,040 He said that this stuff didn't really happen like that. 392 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,720 Oh, interesting. 393 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:09,280 I was so confused and I don't know anyone else who has it. 394 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:10,280 She had plus. 395 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,400 I had never even heard that it was a streaming service. 396 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,560 So it says it might be through Amazon. 397 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,440 I'm not 100% sure. 398 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:22,080 But anyways, it's Amityville and Origin Story. 399 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:28,240 Everything that Amy and I talked about on that episode, now I don't know anything. 400 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,560 Now I'm really confused. 401 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:33,920 I'd like to watch that episode, but I don't have MGM, whatever it is. 402 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:34,920 What is it? 403 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,480 MGM Plus, I think it's a couple parts from what I remember. 404 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,640 I think we watched two or three episodes, but it was very different. 405 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:48,960 And that Laura Didio, who was on there, she was on there too. 406 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,240 And even she sounded different. 407 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:58,120 And I told my sister, I'm like, I am so confused because in that other documentary, she said 408 00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:03,200 the lets's didn't want any notoriety, didn't want all this attention. 409 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,360 And they came to her as a trusted person. 410 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:11,760 And she had said that she was kind of the only person that they would really talk to about 411 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:12,760 this. 412 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:19,480 But then she came on this documentary and didn't sound at all like the same as the other 413 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,480 one. 414 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,480 I was so confused. 415 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:22,480 Now I am too. 416 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,600 Amy's making a confused face. 417 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:26,600 That'll be a good. 418 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:32,320 I'll give you a little screenshot for us, thumbnail. 419 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,360 Amityville, an origin story. 420 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,040 I would like to an origin story. 421 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,800 I'm gonna write that down, right? 422 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:43,640 And I think it came out in 2003. 423 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,400 I'm gonna look so in that. 424 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,040 Way more recent than the other one. 425 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:53,040 And I think it's the first time he's talked to, so like how do the two boys that were in 426 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,680 the house have opposite stories? 427 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:56,680 I don't know. 428 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:57,680 I don't know either. 429 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,200 I'd like to know though. 430 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:00,200 Right. 431 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,200 Now we're never gonna know. 432 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:02,200 I know. 433 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:06,400 I mean it's not like it matters to me honestly and truly whether that story was real or 434 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,000 not, but I'm no see even like to know. 435 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,000 Yeah. 436 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,960 And people have been invested in this story for since 1979. 437 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,440 I have known about it since I was a little girl, yeah. 438 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,440 Yeah. 439 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,680 I know I'm like extra confused. 440 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,120 I always look like I as up there at the top. 441 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:27,280 I feel like people already know how this is gonna go. 442 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,280 1979. 443 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:29,880 So you gonna think? 444 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:30,880 Ah. 445 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:31,880 No you go. 446 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,680 I feel like I always go first. 447 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,080 I don't matter either way. 448 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,400 I give. 449 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,920 I won't give it a night. 450 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,960 I was gonna say nine. 451 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:41,960 Let's close. 452 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:42,960 I give it a night. 453 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,200 I mean I like the story. 454 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,680 Yeah, there's not much that I would change. 455 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:53,080 I mean it's a perfect old horror movie. 456 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:55,440 I said I loved the score a lot. 457 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,640 I just think it's like such a classic, a perfect old movie. 458 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,520 I love the actors and actresses. 459 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,920 I love the feel and look of the house and the boat house. 460 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:13,800 I thought it was more appropriate than the 2005 version where the house was losing all 461 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,760 the paint and all that. 462 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:21,320 It just felt like really a home that you would want to move into if you had that opportunity. 463 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:22,320 I don't know. 464 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:23,320 I just liked it. 465 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,560 I just liked that whole story. 466 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:26,560 Okay. 467 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:27,560 Don't don't. 468 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,560 2005. 469 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,800 I couldn't even watch the full thing really all the way. 470 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,360 I just couldn't get into it. 471 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:37,360 But like it wasn't. 472 00:27:37,360 --> 00:27:40,760 If we're gonna take away, let's just forget that it's going off a true story. 473 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,240 I'd give it about a five. 474 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:43,960 What I want to sit to sit and watch it. 475 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:44,960 No. 476 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,960 I'll watch it for the podcast. 477 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:47,960 Probably be a generous. 478 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:48,960 I don't know. 479 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:49,960 No. 480 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:55,960 I was gonna say five, two because the score wasn't horrible. 481 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,360 The score was okay. 482 00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:58,880 The acting was great. 483 00:27:58,880 --> 00:27:59,880 I thought. 484 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,920 I liked not necessarily the characters, but the acting. 485 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:10,720 It had some good scenes, like I said, especially the house, the roof scene. 486 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,080 But there were a couple other good scenes as well. 487 00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:20,320 Now, on the flip side of that, there were some really, I don't know, cheesy scenes like 488 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,800 spoiler. 489 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:29,480 When she's in the closet, and her finger goes through Jody's head, I was like, that is so dumb. 490 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,200 Why are we doing this? 491 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,600 So dumb. 492 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:33,600 Stuff like that. 493 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,760 I was like, I don't want this. 494 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,360 I don't like this and this makes me hate this movie. 495 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,360 But then you go back to the roof. 496 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:41,360 Yeah. 497 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:42,920 Which was an excellent scene. 498 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:43,920 Which is why I gave it a five. 499 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,720 Yeah, I agree with you. 500 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,720 There were some good parts in it. 501 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:51,480 I'm not gonna lie, but just don't ever ask me about a remake because I usually don't have 502 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,000 much interest in watching it. 503 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,000 I know. 504 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,760 And I feel like we're gonna be doing this again and not that long of a time because there 505 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,680 are so many. 506 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,120 I watch them and they're okay. 507 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,360 There's been some that have been better than others, but I don't know. 508 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,480 This one's not the worst I've seen, but it's definitely not the best. 509 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:14,920 They could have left out the torturing of Native Americans in the basement. 510 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,240 They could have put a shirt on Ryan Reynolds a little bit more. 511 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,120 They could have toned it down a little, but you don't have to do so much in a story like 512 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,120 this. 513 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:31,560 You just really don't because it wasn't, it wasn't all built up and gory and all that to 514 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,560 begin with. 515 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,160 So you just didn't have to. 516 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,560 And I feel like that takes away from the true story. 517 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,640 I agree. 518 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,960 It's almost offensive if it is a true story. 519 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:46,160 We're debating about now because we have all these different family members coming out, 520 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:50,760 but takes away from the fact that this could have happened to individuals. 521 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:51,760 All right. 522 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:52,760 Well. 523 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,560 And why would a preacher be tormenting or hurt Native Americans in a basement? 524 00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:58,560 That's so random. 525 00:29:58,560 --> 00:29:59,560 So random. 526 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:00,560 That's random. 527 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,560 No idea. 528 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:02,560 I don't know. 529 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:03,560 Okay. 530 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:05,680 And on that note, don't worry. 531 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,760 We'll be back with another original versus remake review at some point. 532 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,840 And we'll be saying the same things. 533 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,240 Feel free to tune in. 534 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,840 All right. 535 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,480 Well thanks for listening. 536 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,640 We will talk to you in two weeks again. 537 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:27,680 This two week thing has been very helpful, I think, to both of our lives and where they 538 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,560 are right now. 539 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:34,520 We'll see when we can get back to a week, but we're going to, for a little while, we're 540 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:35,960 going to keep the two weeks. 541 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,000 I don't know how long, but we're getting back into the groove. 542 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,320 So we'll see you in two weeks. 543 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,320 Thanks. 544 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:44,320 And bye guys. 545 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,320 Bye. 546 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:46,320 Bye. 547 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:53,360 Thanks for making it to the end and hanging out with us. 548 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,640 Keep on the lookout for our next episode and stay gruesome. 549 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,640 [Music]