1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,000 [Music] 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,920 Hello and welcome to our podcast Talk Gruesome to Me, where we talk about movies and shows 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,800 that cover true crime, paranormal, and horror. 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,600 I am one of your hosts, Dawn. 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:27,400 I am currently located in Los Angeles and I think I'm pretty well versed in the horror 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:28,400 genre. 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,000 Especially those 80s classics. 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,720 A quick fun fact about me? 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,720 I have a very extensive crystal collection. 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,720 Hello, I'm Amy. 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:42,280 I'm from Kentucky and my area of expertise for this podcast is paranormal. 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,000 A few fun facts about me. 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,000 I'm an empath. 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,120 I collect old dolls and you know, I've never flown on an airplane. 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,480 Can you believe that? 16 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:54,920 Now Dawn and I are also obsessed with true crime, so here we are. 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,040 Talk Gruesome to Me. 18 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,040 Welcome in. 19 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:04,600 Today we're crossing into chilling paranormal territory with the case of Ed Gein. 20 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:09,840 Not just him as a criminal, but we're going to look at the haunted legacy. 21 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:17,160 We'll also explore the show with a paranormal investigator and medium who journeyed into 22 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:18,920 Ed's world. 23 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:24,600 First though, let's talk really fast about our friend Tim, who we've mentioned here 24 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,800 a couple times. 25 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,360 If you like paranormal, go give him a follow. 26 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,440 He's one of our BFFs. 27 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:35,960 He investigates like us. 28 00:01:35,960 --> 00:01:41,920 He's very respectful and we would love it if you gave him a follow. 29 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:49,680 So again, in the presence of others, he has actually gone to the cemetery where the Gein 30 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,720 family is buried. 31 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:58,840 Now we aren't sure if Ed is actually buried there because there are rumors that he was moved 32 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,400 due to people coming there and doing weird stuff. 33 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:09,400 His headstone was removed for sure because people were taking pieces of it. 34 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,800 Who knows if his body is still there? 35 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,440 Definitely not his headstone. 36 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:20,600 I do want to play a couple of clips that Tim has gotten at the gravesite. 37 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,720 Augustus is there, I believe his brother is there as well. 38 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,200 Hopefully you can hear what the equipment is saying. 39 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:35,280 But warning, you may need to adjust your volume for the static that comes out of the 40 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,280 Spirit Box. 41 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:37,280 His equipment. 42 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:43,320 Let me give you a sec to turn down your volume just in case because not everyone likes 43 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:44,320 that static noise. 44 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,120 Well, I do want to add while people are turning their volume down. 45 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:49,840 And I can't remember what it was. 46 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:56,680 I have went in deep into watching all kinds of different things about Ed Gein, of course. 47 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,560 But I did see, I can't, well, I might have read. 48 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:00,560 I don't remember. 49 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:06,680 But anyways, I remember hearing saying that his body is still there. 50 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,600 They did not move that they just removed the headstone. 51 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,840 I was just, I'm just assuming that it's still there. 52 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,360 If you know, let us know. 53 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,960 I think so too, but there was that rumor. 54 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,720 Yeah, who knows. 55 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:21,720 It was a rumor. 56 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:22,720 Yes. 57 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:25,000 Let's go with Tim's footage. 58 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:29,360 Hopefully you can hear it and I'll kind of repeat what he's getting just so that you know 59 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:30,360 what it's saying. 60 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:40,560 Ed, does it make you mad when people talk about your mom, Augustus? 61 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,320 He's using his Ovilus. 62 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,320 It says slam stuff. 63 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:47,320 Go away now. 64 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,320 It said go away now. 65 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:56,880 And then the bottom there, less thing, it said slam. 66 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:00,840 And then it said stuff. 67 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,040 Ed, are you sorry for all the things that you did and all the hurt that you caused? 68 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:09,040 Said head. 69 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:10,040 Nine. 70 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,040 Nine. 71 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,040 Oh my gosh. 72 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,560 Ovilus 5 just said head and nine. 73 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:23,600 And from what I read, it said that he had dug up nine graves. 74 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:30,560 And some of the things that were found on his farm were human heads when it says there. 75 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:36,640 Ed, it's very important that people believe you turned out the way you did because of your 76 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,320 relationship with your mother. 77 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,120 Is that true? 78 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:44,600 That's music boxes going off. 79 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:53,240 Did you say something because you want to hurt me? 80 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:59,560 And then that just said hurt Tim after he said is it because you want to hurt me? 81 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:04,400 In the presence of others, he doesn't go there all the time but you know, he goes there 82 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:05,720 sometimes. 83 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,920 He goes to great locations so give him a follow if you're into this. 84 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:15,880 So let's get back to we're going to spend some time covering two amazing people in the 85 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,600 paranormal field. 86 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,960 Steve Shippy and Cindy Kaza, they collabed on the special. 87 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,880 It was a shock doc called Ed Gein: The Real Psycho. 88 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:35,040 This was in 2021 and they went to Geins hometown and they attempted to contact his energy. 89 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:44,360 Yeah, we both tried to watch a documentary on HBO Max but I'm assuming because Ed Gein is 90 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,320 such a popular topic. 91 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,920 They have now taken it down. 92 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:56,560 So Dawn did find Dave Schrader's podcast, The Paranormal 60 and that is of course with Dave 93 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:57,800 Schrader. 94 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:03,400 And the episode that we watched is called Darkness Radio Presents Psycho. 95 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:10,080 Ed Geins ghost with guest Cindy Kaza and Steve Shippy and that where we watched it was 96 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:11,640 on YouTube. 97 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:18,320 We also read an article that was on the site Den of Geek and it was called Ed Gein The 98 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:22,280 Real Psycho review ghost hunting a killer. 99 00:06:22,280 --> 00:06:26,480 I think you talked to the two of them now I can't remember. 100 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:33,680 If they ever do bring back that Shock Doc though to HBO Max, I would highly recommend watching 101 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,600 it because it was really good. 102 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:42,600 Oh yeah, but of course first before you want to understand the haunted part of this story, 103 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:47,640 you must find out, you must know who Ed Gein actually was. 104 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:55,520 He was born August 27th 1906 and that was in La Crosse County, West Concent. 105 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:01,960 And by the mid 20th century, Gein had committed some of the most gruesome crimes in American 106 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:11,160 history, exhuming corpses, making keepsakes of human skin and killing and mutilating bodies. 107 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,800 He was arrested November 16th 1957. 108 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:21,640 This was after the disappearance of the hardware store owner Bernice Warden. 109 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:28,320 That evidence that those investigators found it was really bad. 110 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,440 Human remains were used as decor. 111 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,560 There was a skin suit being made. 112 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,800 There were skulls on bedposts and even more than that. 113 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:44,760 This crime scene was definitely something that even expert investigators had never seen 114 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:46,040 before. 115 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,520 What really interests me is the heirloom of evil. 116 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,120 These crimes inspired countless horror icons. 117 00:07:53,120 --> 00:08:00,760 From Norman Bates Psycho, Leather Face of Texas Chainsaw Mmassacre and Buffalo Bill, Silence 118 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:01,760 of the Lambs. 119 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:02,760 Yep. 120 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,320 Then Gein died in 1984. 121 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:11,240 He had been institutionalized for his crimes for quite some years. 122 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,960 We actually covered that in the true crime episode a few weeks ago. 123 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:20,200 If you want to learn more about the actual story and get into more details, check out that 124 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,200 episode. 125 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:27,080 Yeah, that one will give you a little deeper look into his story where we went into it 126 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:28,080 there. 127 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:31,400 But that's just where our curiosity starts. 128 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:39,880 Now, what if the energy of this kind of evil doesn't expire with the body? 129 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:40,880 I don't know. 130 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:46,280 But let's talk about the people who believe that there is more to this story. 131 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:48,200 First Steve Shippy. 132 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:57,160 He's a filmmaker and a paranormal investigator and he has documented several haunted locations. 133 00:08:57,160 --> 00:08:59,760 Cindy Kaza, she's a psychic medium. 134 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:04,000 We have talked about her on this podcast before, we love her. 135 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,160 And I've actually seen her live. 136 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:07,240 It's 10 out of 10. 137 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:12,600 So if you ever get that opportunity and she comes anywhere near you, I would say to go 138 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:13,600 do that. 139 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,960 Oh, most definitely I would love to have the opportunity like you. 140 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:20,680 I probably when she comes close need to get there. 141 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:27,520 But yeah, in the special Ed Gein, The Real Psycho, Steve and Cindy traveled to Plainfield, 142 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:32,120 Wisconsin. Geins, that's where he lived, his stomping grounds. 143 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:38,440 They weren't just investigating a crime though they were investigating a haunting. 144 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:46,400 Steve's approach is all the equipment, the SLS, the EMF, the EVPs, all that. 145 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:53,980 And according to articles, he loves the technical side of investigating, which obviously Amy and 146 00:09:53,980 --> 00:09:55,320 I are fans of. 147 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:56,320 Yeah. 148 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,400 Cindy's role was a medium. 149 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:03,200 She was channeling residual energy, doing automatic writing. 150 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,680 And she was sensing objects tied to evil. 151 00:10:06,680 --> 00:10:12,720 For example, she reportedly sensed evil coming from a knife that was actually linked to Geins 152 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:13,720 house. 153 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:21,840 Yeah, she even claimed that she believes that there are more remains on the property of where 154 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:28,320 Geins Farm is, but investigators don't really give credit to something like that, so they 155 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,080 didn't really look into it. 156 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:35,280 Let's go ahead and walk through some of their experiences during the investigation, what 157 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,720 they say they felt and what was recorded. 158 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:43,200 They walked the land around Geins former property. 159 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,840 They recorded EVPs. 160 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:50,360 And when they said Ed, they saw some light interference. 161 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:54,960 Yeah, that's because I wish that we could have watched it. 162 00:10:54,960 --> 00:11:00,000 I mean, I loved watching this, but I really wish that we could have watched it. 163 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:05,480 Cindy also, she described a moment where she was standing in the house and she was feeling 164 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,280 something unseen, brush on the fur of her coat. 165 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:18,200 She was hearing whispers and experiencing the presence of Geins mother and Gein himself. 166 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:26,800 This was something she saw, she felt, but the house is actually not on the land any longer. 167 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:30,960 She was just sensing and picking this up. 168 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:35,440 And Steve described the townspeople as creepy. 169 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:43,360 He suggested that maybe the townspeople itself or something is just kind of in that shadow 170 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:46,120 of Geins legacy. 171 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:51,480 In one specific moment, Cindy held the knife that was supposedly linked to the site. 172 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,960 She shivered, said it held malevolent energy. 173 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:02,920 The blade's original owner claimed after purchasing it, let me get my words out if I can 174 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:10,160 talk right, that shadow figures appeared in his garage and he then had a really bad streak 175 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:11,600 of bad luck. 176 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,680 Been there done that. 177 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:23,200 It definitely raises questions, you know, how do we verify experiences like this? 178 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:31,200 On the podcast, they talked about how difficult it was to find this owner and to get him to 179 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,680 agree to the filming. 180 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:39,280 It's not likely that any investigation will ever be done at this property where the house 181 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:45,640 was again because I mean, these are legit well-known people and they even have a lot of 182 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:46,640 time. 183 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:53,480 We'll talk a little in a few minutes about what we think kind of about that whole situation. 184 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,280 Yeah, I can't wait to. 185 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,080 Yeah, kind of hash that out with you. 186 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:05,880 But for the believers, the idea of Geins imprint lingering, that object subsorb energy, that 187 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:10,160 place remembers, you know, it's compelling and it's interesting. 188 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:15,320 It's definitely something that it's definitely something I believe. 189 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,120 Does evil live forever? 190 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:22,640 Well, from Cindy's perspective, yes. 191 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:29,360 She says that residual trauma and intense suffering like Geins spawned can leave a energetic 192 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:36,080 imprint on a place or an object and you know, I do agree with her. 193 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:42,320 And a place like Plainfield or the land of Geins property. 194 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:46,640 I mean, it could definitely hold on to heavy memories. 195 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,320 Absolutely. 196 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:53,920 Multiple people report odd feeling, some record data or they've claimed to. 197 00:13:53,920 --> 00:14:00,780 In the show, lights have blinked, equipment was triggered, whispers were heard, could multiple 198 00:14:00,780 --> 00:14:08,640 signs point to maybe there really is something going on from the things that did happen there? 199 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:14,240 Well, and it brings up the idea of responsibility. 200 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:22,640 So if a place is haunted by evil, what's the duty of investigators or mediums? 201 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:28,560 And Steven and Cindy talked about this a little on the podcast about how they ended their time 202 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,880 when they felt it was too much. 203 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:38,320 There's also, you know, the ethics of it is this respectful to victims? 204 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:44,520 Is this respectful to a location like this where horrible things happened? 205 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,680 Oh, you just said everything right there. 206 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,000 I mean, that is exactly what it's about. 207 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:56,440 And Cindy and Steve are super respectful like we are when we investigate. 208 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:05,800 And I think intention and how you treat the situation and possible entities in this location 209 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,560 property wherever it is that you're entering, that is everything. 210 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,440 It means everything. 211 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:23,160 I'm torn on this topic about investigating places where something like this happened because 212 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,360 I don't, I don't think it's disrespectful. 213 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:31,880 I think like we just said, it's all about the intention of doing it the right way. 214 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:38,720 And offering victims, do you have anything to say? 215 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:39,720 Right. 216 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:47,400 You know, it's more about that for me anyways than even talking to the person who did these 217 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:48,640 kinds of things. 218 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:57,440 I would like to say, hey, Bernice, one of the women who is killed by you know, do you have 219 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,480 anything that you need to say? 220 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:05,920 That's more where I look at it as not disrespectful. 221 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:12,240 But if you're going in there and you're provoking and you're just trying to see if there's something 222 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,120 evil, like that's no, absolutely not. 223 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:16,120 Right. 224 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:17,120 Yeah, I agree. 225 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:22,840 I feel like like I said, they were very respectful. 226 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:30,240 Some of the things that she come up with really just like I enjoyed watching just even her 227 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,280 talk about the things. 228 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:40,520 So I was really, really like I said upset that I wasn't able to watch the actual investigation. 229 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:47,440 But like I did mention in the beginning, maybe it's just because it's such a popular topic 230 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:49,240 right now. 231 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,760 Maybe they're going to start slowly releasing them, fingers crossed. 232 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:55,480 I'm crossing my fingers right now. 233 00:16:55,480 --> 00:17:01,400 That's pretty common when say like a part two comes out or a part three, they take down 234 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,840 one of the original ones because they know that people will be spending money to watch 235 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:05,840 it. 236 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,520 So I'm sure that's what happened. 237 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:12,880 But I watched that in 2021 when it came out or 22 whenever it released. 238 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:14,640 I mean, it was good. 239 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:20,440 I'm questioning if I did not watch it a while back, but I don't remember. 240 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:21,440 Sure you did. 241 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:27,800 I'm questioning if me and Shannon did not, but I don't remember every, you know, so I'd 242 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,240 like to watch it again, of course. 243 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:31,520 Yeah. 244 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:38,960 So thoughts, what do you, what do you want to say here about just in general? 245 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,800 What are my thoughts? 246 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:48,760 Ah, as I was watching and listening to Cindy, speak about some things that she had picked 247 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:49,760 up. 248 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:53,760 My mind, you know how my mind goes, it got to working. 249 00:17:53,760 --> 00:18:01,480 And during that, Cindy had said that she knew for sure 100% that it was Augusta 250 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:02,480 there. 251 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:08,000 It wasn't, you know, anything left over residual from her that Augusta was there. 252 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,320 She knew that now Ed is there as well. 253 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:20,400 So I got to thinking and wondering, okay, we all know that Ed Gein had some mental disabilities 254 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:21,960 or mental illness. 255 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,560 However, you would like to look at it. 256 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:29,600 We all know that he had a evil side or whatever. 257 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:33,560 However, like I said, you would like to refer to that. 258 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:40,160 Do you think that after his mom passed away and with him missing her and her pretty much 259 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,200 being his whole world to begin with? 260 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:49,920 Do you think that maybe with her still remaining, especially then the house was there on that 261 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,120 land in that home. 262 00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:59,240 Do you think that maybe Ed really was seeing his mom and having conversation with his mom, 263 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,920 that she was there in spirit? 264 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,920 It's possible. 265 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:04,920 Yeah. 266 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:10,320 One of the questions that one of the viewers had sort of covered a little bit of this topic 267 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:18,240 of do you think after she passed that she sort of possessed him or became like an evil entity 268 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,960 that then influenced him. 269 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:26,320 It's definitely possible watching the podcast on YouTube. 270 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:31,240 It made me think about now more than that. 271 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:37,120 More than when he was still alive in doing these crimes, it made me think of now of are 272 00:19:37,120 --> 00:19:42,240 they still living in the afterlife as they lived in life? 273 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:53,320 Is she there over him, influencing him and making him do evil things or just be evil energy 274 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,520 now in the afterlife? 275 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:57,520 It's possible. 276 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,680 I mean, that's another really good question. 277 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:08,280 I don't, I mean, I don't know, but could I know, in Lord, forgive me, viewer discretion 278 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:09,280 advised. 279 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,160 I never say that. 280 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:23,160 But while he was taking these poor individuals, the victims, parts, body parts and skin 281 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:32,000 and everything that he was taken from these individuals to make, you know, his mom, do you 282 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:38,160 think that somehow that is when her voice would come alive? 283 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:43,080 If that makes sense to him, like, I don't know. 284 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:44,080 I don't know either. 285 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,240 What we're, I guess what we're doing is we're sitting here and we're trying to make sense 286 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,560 of this. 287 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:50,960 I don't know. 288 00:20:50,960 --> 00:21:02,280 I mean, someone in life who caused their sons so much grief by being evil. 289 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:07,480 I mean, let's be honest, she was not nice to them. 290 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:14,000 She influenced them and was evil in life. 291 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:23,640 I would assume in death, she's the same person and so if Ed is alive and her energy is there, 292 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:33,280 she absolutely could and probably was like, yeah, hurt these women because she was so anti 293 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:40,760 him being with women and having relationships or even friendships from what I've heard. 294 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,000 It's definitely possible. 295 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,200 Okay, grab my hand. 296 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,800 You ready to go out on another limb? 297 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:48,800 Sure. 298 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:51,880 Okay, this, I really do feel this is true. 299 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:57,440 I feel that Augusta was also mentally ill. 300 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:04,880 Do you think that it's possible that you have Augusta who's mentally ill? 301 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,960 We know that, okay, we don't know about the dad's mental stability, but we do know that 302 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,720 he was an alcoholic, correct? 303 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:12,720 Yes. 304 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,880 He was an alcoholic. 305 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,480 Brothers name was a Henry? 306 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:17,480 Yes. 307 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:28,320 Okay, Henry, we assume from what has been portrayed that he was a pretty normal, normal individual, 308 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:29,320 normal man. 309 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:36,440 Okay, so let's assume that Augusta with her mental illness passed it down to Ed. 310 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:46,820 Do you think that maybe there was something going on in that home on that land from the 311 00:22:46,820 --> 00:22:50,920 start that yes, she had all of this going on. 312 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,080 She had these beliefs. 313 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,600 She didn't want her sons to date. 314 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:56,760 She didn't want her sons to have friends. 315 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,960 She wanted them to be more so recluse. 316 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:08,840 Was also maybe influenced by something that was of the land of the location and once she 317 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:17,760 passed maybe her mental illness and what was there maybe kind of went toward Ed in a way? 318 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,560 Well, sorry, that was long. 319 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:21,920 No, you're fine. 320 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:30,720 I have heard that people with autism or different kinds of mental health issues or conditions 321 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:36,680 are sort of more open to energy and influence and things like that. 322 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,920 So it's very possible. 323 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,400 Let's go back to Augusta. 324 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:48,680 Maybe something influenced her or maybe it was just mental illness. 325 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:53,000 Maybe it was the combination of both who made her evil. 326 00:23:53,000 --> 00:24:03,360 Henry possibly didn't inherit that from her and wasn't as open to possible evil things 327 00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:05,640 maybe on the land. 328 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:14,320 And he's the one that questioned her and was in a relationship and then Ed didn't like 329 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:22,120 that he was questioning their mom and possibly allegedly maybe killed his brother. 330 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:25,320 We don't know that's not documented. 331 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:34,480 Maybe it is a combination of mental illness and evil just in the land that clash together 332 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,120 and create this horrible situation. 333 00:24:38,120 --> 00:24:47,760 Yeah, I mean because if the town is also experiencing other things, are they maybe not 334 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:56,480 experiencing residual or echoing from Ed Gein and his crimes so long ago? 335 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:03,800 Could they possibly just maybe be experiencing something from the land that was there for 336 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,120 the longest time? 337 00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:12,520 I mean, if you want to look at it on a paranormal standpoint, could the crimes that Ed Gein 338 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,440 committed could that have opened up even more? 339 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,440 Yeah. 340 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,440 It's a good thought. 341 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:19,760 I was just everything. 342 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,720 You know how my mind is, you know? 343 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,920 She would say these things and I was like, you know what? 344 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,360 Maybe, I mean maybe. 345 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:29,880 I would love to get on the property. 346 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,960 Of course, I don't have her abilities. 347 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,720 I would love to go, let's just change it to I would love to walk the property with her. 348 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:42,880 That's like again, I just don't think that anyone's ever going to be able to do that 349 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:43,880 again. 350 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,720 Oh yeah, it was awful kind of sketchy. 351 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,440 Hell, and I mean the dude might, I don't know who owns it. 352 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:56,200 The male or female may have no bad intentions. 353 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:03,520 They may just be a private person, but it was just kind of strange how they walked around 354 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:12,440 every time that he had asked, hey, so why haven't you done anything with this property? 355 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,640 Why do you kind of keep it as it's always been? 356 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,360 Why did you buy the property? 357 00:26:18,360 --> 00:26:23,880 And the, excuse me, the conversation would be completely turned to something else. 358 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:29,480 Like Steve said at that one part, he was asking a few questions just trying to understand 359 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,360 the guy said, okay, or female. 360 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,200 Sorry, I don't know who owns it. 361 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:38,520 And they said, well, how long are you planning to be on the property? 362 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:39,520 Completely cut off. 363 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,320 And onto the next subject, please. 364 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,320 I don't know. 365 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:43,320 I did. 366 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:44,320 I found that. 367 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,040 It's just, it's weird. 368 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,320 And I would like to know why? 369 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,920 Because the point we don't even know who did they know what happened because if you think 370 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:59,000 about it, when they bought it, if it was in the 50s, it wasn't like there was social media 371 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,000 or any of these. 372 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,200 Like maybe they genuinely didn't even know until after they bought it. 373 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,200 I don't know. 374 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,520 Maybe maybe they just hung on it. 375 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:08,520 I don't know. 376 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,680 We're just so unstuck out. 377 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:10,680 I don't know. 378 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,720 Yeah, I don't know. 379 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,440 But thanks for coming along with us into the darkness. 380 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:22,480 Again, that podcast is Paranormal 60 and that's with Dave Schrader. 381 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:29,840 And the episode that we watched is Darkness Radio Presents and that is Ed Geins 382 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:37,200 With Steve Shippy and Cindy Kaza and the article that we wrote or that we wrote 383 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:44,160 that we read is on the site, Den of Geek and give all of those people obviously have social 384 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:45,960 Dave Schrader. 385 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,280 Steve Shippy and Cindy Kaza. 386 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:51,440 So give them a follow if you like paranormal. 387 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,480 Oh, most definitely go check them all out. 388 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,960 Yeah, I'm with Dawn on that one I do agree. 389 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,480 I'll end this this podcast. 390 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,480 I guess we won't rate it because I know we're running out of time. 391 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:09,320 Let go go watch it, especially since right now you can't actually get to the investigation. 392 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:10,880 So yeah, go back and watch it. 393 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,160 I'm going to say it again and I'm going to say it not so crazy. 394 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:22,280 It is Darkness Radio Presents Psycho and Geins Ghost and that's with guest Steve Shippy 395 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:28,600 and Cindy Kaza and that is the Paranormal 60 with Dave Schrader. 396 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,080 Dave Schrader, he's just amazing. 397 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:36,120 Anyway, so I'm just going to say his podcast is 10 because I like him. 398 00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:38,520 I like the way he thinks. 399 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,720 I like his way of investigating and everything. 400 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,680 So I'm just going to give it a 10. 401 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,360 And he's funny without being disrespectful. 402 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,640 Yes, you know, agree. 403 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,920 That means the world right there. 404 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,480 Okay, next episode will be in two weeks. 405 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,120 That'll be a minisode. 406 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:04,960 And then two weeks later we will have the final Ed Gein episode in this trio which will be horror. 407 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,080 What do you think we are going to watch? 408 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,920 Tell us on our socials. 409 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:11,840 Make sure to follow us everywhere. 410 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,480 Thank you for listening and we will meet back here in two weeks. 411 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,480 See you then. 412 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,480 Bye. 413 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:19,480 Bye. 414 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:27,040 Thanks for making it to the end and hanging out with 415 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:28,040 us. 416 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,800 Keep on the lookout for our next episode and stay gruesome. 417 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,800 [Music]