1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,000 [Music] 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,920 Hello and welcome to our podcast Talk Gruesome to Me, where we talk about movies and shows 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,800 that cover true crime, paranormal, and horror. 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,600 I am one of your hosts, Dawn. 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:27,400 I am currently located in Los Angeles and I think I'm pretty well versed in the horror 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:28,400 genre. 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,000 Especially those 80s classics. 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,720 A quick fun fact about me? 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,720 I have a very extensive crystal collection. 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,720 Hello, I'm Amy. 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:42,280 I'm from Kentucky and my area of expertise for this podcast is paranormal. 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,000 A few fun facts about me. 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,000 I'm an empath. 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,120 I collect old dolls and you know, I've never flown on an airplane. 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,480 Can you believe that? 16 00:00:50,480 --> 00:00:54,920 Now Dawn and I are also obsessed with true crime, so here we are. 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,680 Talk Gruesome to Me. 18 00:00:57,680 --> 00:00:58,680 Welcome in this week. 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:07,520 We are back with our trio of Aileen Wuornos and we are finishing it up with the Bialografical 20 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,640 crime drama inspired by the life of Aileen Wuornos. 21 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,240 In this movie, she's a homeless worker who becomes one of America's most notorious 22 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,440 female serial killers just like in real life. 23 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,240 And it's set up in the late 1980s in Florida. 24 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:30,080 The film follows Aileen as she forms a relationship with Selby Wall, a fictionalized portrayal 25 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:31,920 of Tariya Moore. 26 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:39,520 And briefly finds a connection amid a life marked by abuse and it's very, very as you'll 27 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,120 see unstable. 28 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:49,360 After a violent encounter with a client, Aileen begins killing me and she solicits them. 29 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:56,720 That leads to her arrest, the conviction, and her eventual execution. 30 00:01:56,720 --> 00:02:02,200 The film exposes trauma, moral ambiguity. 31 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,200 Ambiguity. 32 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:04,200 Ambiguity? 33 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,200 Yeah. 34 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,720 And the blurred lines between victim and perpetrator. 35 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:14,200 Monster is, I'm going to say, a very good movie. 36 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:15,760 I was excited to watch it. 37 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,840 I had to order it, Dawn  found it on eBay, I got it sent here. 38 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,000 I'm going to say I had it watched it. 39 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:31,040 Oh my goodness, I'm going to go back and say probably I haven't seen it since 2015-16. 40 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,600 So I definitely wanted to watch it again. 41 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:44,400 Monster, it had its premiere and that was on AFI Fest and that was  on November 16, 2003. 42 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:50,920 So you can definitely see why we needed a refresher and both wanted to get our hands on it to 43 00:02:50,920 --> 00:02:51,920 watch it. 44 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:55,520 It was kind of hard to find it anywhere, like I said, I found it on eBay. 45 00:02:55,520 --> 00:03:04,880 I watched it on, I think Apple TV, I rented it for $1.99, it was pretty cheap. 46 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,400 Yeah, only paid $4.99 for it. 47 00:03:07,400 --> 00:03:09,680 Yeah, and I don't remember the last time I saw it. 48 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,480 I mean, probably when it came out, I really don't know. 49 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:18,280 I know I had seen it previously, but it's been many, many, many years. 50 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:23,160 I've seen it a couple of times, but the last time I'm going to say I thank Shannon and 51 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,120 I were together about 2015-16. 52 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,320 Yeah, somewhere around there, it's been a good minute. 53 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:36,040 Highly recommended, even if you've seen it before, just for a refresher, I'll tell you, 54 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:44,520 it received tons of awards and nominations too, particularly Charlize Theron's performance. 55 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:49,320 She won, I'll just go over these really fast because it's pretty amazing. 56 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,840 She won the Academy Award for Best Actress. 57 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:57,040 She won the Golden Globe for Best Actress in Adorama. 58 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:01,520 She won the SAG Award for Outstanding Lead Actress. 59 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:06,440 And she also won the Critics Choice Movie Award for Best Actress. 60 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:07,440 Oh wait, there's one more. 61 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,680 The Independent Spirit Award for Best Female Lead. 62 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:17,320 And then it also won for Independent Spirit Award at one of the best first feature film, 63 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,560 which was the director, Patty Jenkins. 64 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,360 Listen, her acting is so good. 65 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:29,080 And Roger Ebert said it was, quote, "one of the greatest performances in the history 66 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:36,760 of cinema and the film was also chosen by the American Film Institute as one of the top 67 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,200 10 films of 2003." 68 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,200 I agree. 69 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:48,560 I mean, I would say even further than 2003, it was just one of the greatest films. 70 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,000 I mean, all that based on the acting for me. 71 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:58,000 I think that's the first time I had actually ever heard of her. 72 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,640 Oh, I bet it was the first time a lot of people had heard of her. 73 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:07,240 Back when she was, of course, when she was put to death, but when all this was going on, 74 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,320 I was young and wasn't thinking about that watching the news or anything. 75 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,840 So when I saw that movie, I was like, "Oh, let me go back and check this out on my old 76 00:05:16,840 --> 00:05:23,640 HP computer that was like a big heavy thing sitting on the desk." 77 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,440 And then I was like, "Wow, you know, that's insane." 78 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:34,120 And we'll get into it a little later about some of the real life verses of the movie. 79 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:40,320 But for me, one of the things that I noticed, and only because we covered it on the last 80 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:50,040 Aileen Wuornos episode, did you see how close that set of the motel room was to that YouTube 81 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:51,560 documentary we watched? 82 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,720 I was like, "Oh my god, it looks the exact same." 83 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:58,940 Oh yeah, coming back years later, actually paying attention to the bathroom and seeing the 84 00:05:58,940 --> 00:06:00,040 actual bathroom. 85 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,040 Yeah. 86 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:02,520 Good job on that. 87 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:08,520 Different colors, but like the layout and the furniture and the bathroom outside of the 88 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,160 colors, like it was exactly the same. 89 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,520 Yeah, just like if you would have walked in. 90 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:14,520 Yep. 91 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:20,200 We like to play some audio, and I know this might be, I wasn't sure if it would be a little 92 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:26,240 hard to figure out what was going on if you can't visually see the trailer, but I'm going 93 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:30,240 to play the audio clip from the trailer, and I think it's okay. 94 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:36,480 I think if you're only listening to the audio, you'll be able to grasp what's going on 95 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:37,480 here. 96 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:38,480 So let me play that really fast. 97 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:39,680 It's about two minutes. 98 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:43,680 I always wanted to be in the movies. 99 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:53,680 I thought, "Why don't you think of things that look like what I know you call in the real, how do you think?" 100 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,480 Yeah, I was around and I thought it's my way of this. 101 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:00,480 I have to make the right guess. 102 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:01,480 I'm once real the same. 103 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:02,480 That's always stuck with me. 104 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,480 All you need is love and to believe in yourself. 105 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:15,680 It doesn't exactly work out that way. 106 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,680 Everybody's got to have faith in the song. 107 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:19,680 Touch your face. 108 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:20,680 Touch your sorbiding. 109 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,680 Oh, I had a love for love. 110 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,680 So what do we do around? 111 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:29,680 We're there. 112 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:30,680 Two more. 113 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:31,680 The girl's waiting over here. 114 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:32,680 I can't see now. 115 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:39,680 I can't see now. 116 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:41,680 Like this funny thing. 117 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:42,680 The girls. 118 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,680 But it's also strange I think things could be so different than you think. 119 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,680 And I've always wanted to be president of the United States. 120 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:50,680 I'm not that bad. 121 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:51,680 I'm not that bad. 122 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:56,680 The little life that's always been hard to stop the hurts the most. 123 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:57,680 So we're in there. 124 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:21,180 (Music) 125 00:08:21,180 --> 00:08:22,980 I just like to set up her as you know? 126 00:08:22,980 --> 00:08:45,480 (Music) 127 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,480 It makes me want to watch it again. It's so good. 128 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,980 I'm kind of glad I've got it on copy now. 129 00:08:51,980 --> 00:08:55,980 I know I rented it so it expires in 48 hours. 130 00:08:55,980 --> 00:08:56,980 Sad. 131 00:08:56,980 --> 00:08:57,980 Mmm. 132 00:08:57,980 --> 00:08:58,980 So good. 133 00:08:58,980 --> 00:09:00,980 We have some facts. 134 00:09:00,980 --> 00:09:04,980 Amy and I were, we started, we were on FaceTime before 135 00:09:04,980 --> 00:09:06,980 and we started debating a couple things 136 00:09:06,980 --> 00:09:08,980 and I was like, wait no, let's save it. 137 00:09:08,980 --> 00:09:11,980 (Laughs) 138 00:09:11,980 --> 00:09:14,980 One of the things that was interesting was 139 00:09:14,980 --> 00:09:19,980 Charlize Theron gained 30 pounds for this role. 140 00:09:19,980 --> 00:09:22,980 I'm assuming this is factual. 141 00:09:22,980 --> 00:09:25,980 It said that she, one of the things that she used 142 00:09:25,980 --> 00:09:29,980 to gain that weight was to eat Krispy Kreme donuts all the time. 143 00:09:29,980 --> 00:09:31,980 Doesn't that sound good though? 144 00:09:31,980 --> 00:09:33,980 It does sound good but that'll gain you 30 pounds. 145 00:09:33,980 --> 00:09:34,980 It's real quick. 146 00:09:34,980 --> 00:09:35,980 Really quick. 147 00:09:35,980 --> 00:09:36,980 Yeah. 148 00:09:36,980 --> 00:09:40,980 But I mean honestly was that necessary? 149 00:09:40,980 --> 00:09:45,980 Because Aileen wasn't a great big woman herself. 150 00:09:45,980 --> 00:09:49,980 She was that stature. 151 00:09:49,980 --> 00:09:53,980 So one of the facts that I looked up was Alene Warnos was only 5'4. 152 00:09:53,980 --> 00:09:58,980 Charlize Theron is, I think around 5'9. 153 00:09:58,980 --> 00:10:02,980 She's tall for an actress but she's so good. 154 00:10:02,980 --> 00:10:03,980 Who cares about the height? 155 00:10:03,980 --> 00:10:04,980 I don't know. 156 00:10:04,980 --> 00:10:05,980 Yeah. 157 00:10:05,980 --> 00:10:06,980 At first I was like, I asked Dawn. 158 00:10:06,980 --> 00:10:08,980 I was like, well why'd they make her so tall? 159 00:10:08,980 --> 00:10:10,980 And then I was like, well how tall was she? 160 00:10:10,980 --> 00:10:13,980 And then we found out and I was like, well like Dawn said, 161 00:10:13,980 --> 00:10:15,980 does it even matter? 162 00:10:15,980 --> 00:10:17,980 Because she did such a good job. 163 00:10:17,980 --> 00:10:18,980 That's what I said. 164 00:10:18,980 --> 00:10:19,980 Yeah. 165 00:10:19,980 --> 00:10:20,980 She was like, well why'd they make her so tall? 166 00:10:20,980 --> 00:10:22,980 And I'm like, 'cause look at the acting. 167 00:10:22,980 --> 00:10:23,980 Agreed. 168 00:10:23,980 --> 00:10:24,980 Agreed. 169 00:10:24,980 --> 00:10:32,980 Well and they did such a good job making her look like her with the fake teeth 170 00:10:32,980 --> 00:10:35,980 and just that's one part of it. 171 00:10:35,980 --> 00:10:40,980 You know what they did to her in her makeup to make her look like her. 172 00:10:40,980 --> 00:10:44,980 But you know the way that she carried herself and her manorisms 173 00:10:44,980 --> 00:10:47,980 and like the way that she moved her head. 174 00:10:47,980 --> 00:10:48,980 A lot of times. 175 00:10:48,980 --> 00:10:49,980 Yeah. 176 00:10:49,980 --> 00:10:54,980 I would have given anything to been able to stand there 177 00:10:54,980 --> 00:10:58,980 and watch her use that hair dryer to make that hair stock 178 00:10:58,980 --> 00:11:01,980 because I guarantee she did not do that. 179 00:11:01,980 --> 00:11:04,980 I don't know. 180 00:11:04,980 --> 00:11:07,980 No, I'm talking about in the movie. 181 00:11:07,980 --> 00:11:09,980 Oh, that was funny. 182 00:11:09,980 --> 00:11:11,980 Yeah, the hair. 183 00:11:11,980 --> 00:11:14,980 That was one of the things that Amy was talking about 184 00:11:14,980 --> 00:11:17,980 was did the hair really need to look like that. 185 00:11:17,980 --> 00:11:19,980 And I was like, but that's what she looked like. 186 00:11:19,980 --> 00:11:24,980 Her hair was, I mean it was feathered because of the time. 187 00:11:24,980 --> 00:11:26,980 No, that hair was spot on. 188 00:11:26,980 --> 00:11:28,980 I was talking about for Tyra. 189 00:11:28,980 --> 00:11:29,980 Oh. 190 00:11:29,980 --> 00:11:30,980 Yeah. 191 00:11:30,980 --> 00:11:31,980 Oh. 192 00:11:31,980 --> 00:11:37,980 It was just so awkwardly cut on Christina Ricci. 193 00:11:37,980 --> 00:11:39,980 Like it, it was just awkward. 194 00:11:39,980 --> 00:11:41,980 It like drove me nuts. 195 00:11:41,980 --> 00:11:42,980 Okay. 196 00:11:42,980 --> 00:11:46,980 Now that makes sense because her hair, yeah, her hair was dark. 197 00:11:46,980 --> 00:11:47,980 Christina Ricci. 198 00:11:47,980 --> 00:11:52,980 They did a great job, you know, trying to completely over pull Aileens. 199 00:11:52,980 --> 00:11:54,980 The look was there. 200 00:11:54,980 --> 00:11:55,980 They did a wonderful job. 201 00:11:55,980 --> 00:11:59,980 But like on Tyria, I'm like, looks nothing like her. 202 00:11:59,980 --> 00:12:00,980 Right. 203 00:12:00,980 --> 00:12:06,980 That's one of the facts too was that Tyria more agreed to the name change 204 00:12:06,980 --> 00:12:13,980 to Selby, but her character was fictionalized to give Christina Ricci 205 00:12:13,980 --> 00:12:15,980 sort of like more freedom. 206 00:12:15,980 --> 00:12:19,980 And the real Tyria was more withdrawn. 207 00:12:19,980 --> 00:12:25,980 But a lot of the central relationship things were based on reality, 208 00:12:25,980 --> 00:12:30,980 including the restaurant scene, which I was wondering when I watched it, 209 00:12:30,980 --> 00:12:34,980 if there was any truth to that scene, which apparently there was. 210 00:12:34,980 --> 00:12:39,980 At least they took some of it into consideration for her. 211 00:12:39,980 --> 00:12:41,980 You know, not wanting to be apart. 212 00:12:41,980 --> 00:12:48,980 But reading that more agreed or Tyria more agreed to some of this stuff, 213 00:12:48,980 --> 00:12:54,980 she was obviously involved in some way, which definitely makes you think 214 00:12:54,980 --> 00:12:59,980 that there's more reality than not because she was involved. 215 00:12:59,980 --> 00:13:00,980 Right. 216 00:13:00,980 --> 00:13:05,980 We go back and forth. We've said this before, especially with the Ed Gein one. 217 00:13:05,980 --> 00:13:12,980 Don't say a story is based on reality when it's not. 218 00:13:12,980 --> 00:13:15,980 And I feel like watching this one. 219 00:13:15,980 --> 00:13:21,980 And even going through Google searches and Chatgpt and everything, 220 00:13:21,980 --> 00:13:28,980 AI trying to ask what's the difference between reality and the movie monster. 221 00:13:28,980 --> 00:13:30,980 And there just wasn't a ton. 222 00:13:30,980 --> 00:13:37,980 So I do feel like based on what we've researched for all of these three episodes, 223 00:13:37,980 --> 00:13:46,980 based on searches online, I do think this was pretty spot on for the most part. 224 00:13:46,980 --> 00:13:49,980 I mean, I don't know if I have to say a percentage. 225 00:13:49,980 --> 00:13:54,980 I don't know 75% I have no idea that's just a guess in my own head. 226 00:13:54,980 --> 00:14:03,980 Right. And the most of it that is more so not like she said with the Shelby or Tyria 227 00:14:03,980 --> 00:14:11,980 is the parts that they were able to free run and just kind of make the story more tragic. 228 00:14:11,980 --> 00:14:18,980 And I guess more sympathetic that way you in the end, I guess get a couple of tears. 229 00:14:18,980 --> 00:14:27,980 As soon as what you know they were doing because their relationship was pretty much completely opposite. 230 00:14:27,980 --> 00:14:29,980 She was emotionally distant. 231 00:14:29,980 --> 00:14:33,980 So I don't know. I don't think that they were, of course they loved, 232 00:14:33,980 --> 00:14:38,980 but I don't know if they were as lovey-dovey maybe. 233 00:14:38,980 --> 00:14:39,980 Does that make sense? 234 00:14:39,980 --> 00:14:42,980 Yeah, that was one of the things that came up in the search. 235 00:14:42,980 --> 00:14:50,980 And we'll talk a little more about what was found online in a, what are the differences search, 236 00:14:50,980 --> 00:14:52,980 but that was one of them. 237 00:14:52,980 --> 00:15:00,980 They also shot most of this film in Florida, which was cool, and makes it more, I guess, real, you know. 238 00:15:00,980 --> 00:15:03,980 They could have just went to that hotel though. 239 00:15:03,980 --> 00:15:05,980 Oh yeah, I forget how it was called. 240 00:15:05,980 --> 00:15:07,980 Something the logo has a bike on it. 241 00:15:07,980 --> 00:15:08,980 Was it Scooter? 242 00:15:08,980 --> 00:15:10,980 I don't know. 243 00:15:10,980 --> 00:15:11,980 I can't remember. 244 00:15:11,980 --> 00:15:12,980 I can't remember either. 245 00:15:12,980 --> 00:15:16,980 We should be able to remember, but I don't know why we can't. 246 00:15:16,980 --> 00:15:17,980 But here we are. 247 00:15:17,980 --> 00:15:18,980 Yeah. 248 00:15:18,980 --> 00:15:19,980 Sorry. 249 00:15:19,980 --> 00:15:23,980 Go back to the last episode we talked about it. 250 00:15:23,980 --> 00:15:24,980 It's not that long ago. 251 00:15:24,980 --> 00:15:30,980 No, you can stay in that room where they lived in Tyria and Eileen. 252 00:15:30,980 --> 00:15:33,980 You can rent that room. 253 00:15:33,980 --> 00:15:34,980 Yeah. 254 00:15:34,980 --> 00:15:39,980 Like I said in the other episode, I'm not sure what it calls to rent that room out there. 255 00:15:39,980 --> 00:15:45,980 I try to get online and look and kind of see about book in it, but it's one of those places 256 00:15:45,980 --> 00:15:47,980 that's small you have to call. 257 00:15:47,980 --> 00:15:52,980 And I didn't really call because I didn't want to waste their time just to find out how much the room was. 258 00:15:52,980 --> 00:15:53,980 That's right. 259 00:15:53,980 --> 00:15:55,980 I kind of thought that would be rude. 260 00:15:55,980 --> 00:15:56,980 Yeah. 261 00:15:56,980 --> 00:16:04,980 So the difference is we can go over some of these, and like I said, there aren't a ton, but going back to what you just said, 262 00:16:04,980 --> 00:16:09,980 their relationship and they call Tyria more Selby, like we said. 263 00:16:09,980 --> 00:16:17,980 So Eileen's relationship with Selby, it's portrayed as like a central love story and tense, emotional. 264 00:16:17,980 --> 00:16:22,980 That was the driving force behind Eileen's actions. 265 00:16:22,980 --> 00:16:28,980 But in real life, the relationship wasn't that romantic. 266 00:16:28,980 --> 00:16:32,980 Tyria has said that she was emotionally distant. 267 00:16:32,980 --> 00:16:37,980 And they did cover this at the very end, spoiler alert. 268 00:16:37,980 --> 00:16:45,980 She cooperated with the police and helped obtain Eileen's confession, which they did actually cover. 269 00:16:45,980 --> 00:16:50,980 So I'm not sure why they put that as a fact that was a difference. 270 00:16:50,980 --> 00:16:51,980 I don't know. 271 00:16:51,980 --> 00:17:01,980 They just seemed to make their relationship kind of softer and more sympathetic than maybe reality. 272 00:17:01,980 --> 00:17:04,980 Yeah, because it's going to tug at heartstrings. 273 00:17:04,980 --> 00:17:05,980 So yeah. 274 00:17:05,980 --> 00:17:06,980 Right. 275 00:17:06,980 --> 00:17:17,980 And we've talked in the previous episodes about how we feel about what happened to her Eileen. 276 00:17:17,980 --> 00:17:25,980 I'm not saying, now that we're at the end of this trio, and I've already knew her story pretty well. 277 00:17:25,980 --> 00:17:35,980 I'm not saying that she wasn't volatile and she didn't have a temper and she didn't probably have impulse control. 278 00:17:35,980 --> 00:17:45,980 But like we talked about before abuse, long term abuse, early childhood abuse. 279 00:17:45,980 --> 00:17:53,980 And then you factor in rape as a, well, as a child, but also then as an adult. 280 00:17:53,980 --> 00:17:56,980 And I don't care that she was a sex worker. 281 00:17:56,980 --> 00:17:57,980 Doesn't matter. 282 00:17:57,980 --> 00:17:58,980 Nope. 283 00:17:58,980 --> 00:17:59,980 Nope. 284 00:17:59,980 --> 00:18:00,980 Nope. 285 00:18:00,980 --> 00:18:03,980 At some point, people are going to snap. 286 00:18:03,980 --> 00:18:04,980 Yeah. 287 00:18:04,980 --> 00:18:05,980 I don't know. 288 00:18:05,980 --> 00:18:06,980 I agree. 289 00:18:06,980 --> 00:18:21,980 And probably we're not going to do ratings right now, but the one thing that kind of did disturb me a little bit about this movie is the way they made the murders just feel rapid. 290 00:18:21,980 --> 00:18:24,980 And like just a full emotional spiral. 291 00:18:24,980 --> 00:18:34,980 It, in reality, we've got to look at the fact that these murders occurred from 1989 to 1990. 292 00:18:34,980 --> 00:18:39,980 And the way they portrayed it was bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, murder. 293 00:18:39,980 --> 00:18:46,980 And almost like she was getting fueled off of each murder to commit the next one. 294 00:18:46,980 --> 00:18:58,980 So that is one of the things now that I'm older, I'm sitting back, I know the case better and I'm watching the movie that did kind of hurt it for me just a little bit. 295 00:18:58,980 --> 00:19:04,980 I'd, the time, I don't know, the timeline just really, it was just too much. 296 00:19:04,980 --> 00:19:05,980 Don't you agree? 297 00:19:05,980 --> 00:19:06,980 Yeah. 298 00:19:06,980 --> 00:19:11,980 It's hard when you're, and the movie is about an hour and 45 minutes. 299 00:19:11,980 --> 00:19:17,980 I mean, it's hard probably to incorporate that in a year's time. 300 00:19:17,980 --> 00:19:18,980 Maybe I don't know. 301 00:19:18,980 --> 00:19:23,980 Maybe. Okay, I'll give you that a little bit, but it just, I don't know, it just made it come off so rushed. 302 00:19:23,980 --> 00:19:34,980 And I don't know how you would properly break that time up to show that it actually was in a longer time period, but I don't know. 303 00:19:34,980 --> 00:19:40,980 I, I do take that into consideration, I guess, but it just really kind of turned me off going back and watching it now. 304 00:19:40,980 --> 00:19:57,980 Well, and all of the guys in between, and they did show a couple that, that she didn't kill, but I think of how many guys that she did sex work with that she didn't kill. 305 00:19:57,980 --> 00:19:58,980 Right. 306 00:19:58,980 --> 00:19:59,980 In that year. 307 00:19:59,980 --> 00:20:08,980 And we've done talked about this, the fact that it's very unlikely that very many men are kind of come forward and be like, oh well, yeah. 308 00:20:08,980 --> 00:20:13,980 I had an interaction with Aileen on this day. 309 00:20:13,980 --> 00:20:17,980 This happened and she didn't hurt me. She didn't still anything. 310 00:20:17,980 --> 00:20:22,980 And we ended our transaction on a good positive note. 311 00:20:22,980 --> 00:20:26,980 They're just not willing to come forward and say that for the most part. 312 00:20:26,980 --> 00:20:32,980 So that's another thing that probably hurt her, I guess. I don't know. 313 00:20:32,980 --> 00:20:38,980 Oh, I'm sure it, yeah, I don't know. She probably is still would have been executed. 314 00:20:38,980 --> 00:20:44,980 Oh, yeah. I mean, we're not going to sit here and say, I won't say for sure that she's innocent. 315 00:20:44,980 --> 00:20:53,980 She's definitely not. But I think that maybe there could have been some other factors and things that could have been looked at. 316 00:20:53,980 --> 00:20:59,980 Maybe she could have just sit on the other side of the wall instead of the execution side. That's all I'm saying. 317 00:20:59,980 --> 00:21:04,980 It's just when you think about hundreds, it had to be hundreds of men. 318 00:21:04,980 --> 00:21:05,980 Oh, yeah. 319 00:21:05,980 --> 00:21:13,980 If that's the money that you're living off of, if not more than that, if not thousands, that nothing happened with, 320 00:21:13,980 --> 00:21:20,980 to me, that makes, I don't know how else to say this. This probably sounds so shitty. 321 00:21:20,980 --> 00:21:26,980 That makes it more legitimate the self-defense claims. 322 00:21:26,980 --> 00:21:42,980 I agree with you. I do. And also, we're doing better, I should say as a society of understanding and acknowledging now that past traumas even into your infant years can affect you years later. 323 00:21:42,980 --> 00:21:49,980 If that was the case back in her time, couldn't have softened a little bit of hearts in the court? 324 00:21:49,980 --> 00:22:04,980 Maybe. I don't know. We do. We have become a little more in understanding, like I said, so I don't know. Back then, they just took her for what she was and put her to the side, basically. 325 00:22:04,980 --> 00:22:08,980 I don't. And again, I'm not saying she's innocent. 326 00:22:08,980 --> 00:22:09,980 But, you know. 327 00:22:09,980 --> 00:22:16,980 But there is something to what I described earlier, especially childhood abuse and trauma. 328 00:22:16,980 --> 00:22:22,980 Agreed. 100% agree with you. I'm not a psychologist, but I know that. 329 00:22:22,980 --> 00:22:29,980 Yeah. And I mean, it's sadly we've just got to watch what we do around little ones because that can affect them for years later. 330 00:22:29,980 --> 00:22:35,980 That's all I'd just like to add in there. Just be good human beings. Let's protect our future. 331 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:43,980 Even at a young age, they say being around violence or whatever, even if you're six month old. 332 00:22:43,980 --> 00:22:54,980 Yeah. I mean, it doesn't matter how old you are, even at that age, you're still able to pick up that atmosphere and things going on in your surroundings aren't right. 333 00:22:54,980 --> 00:23:01,980 And it's scary. I don't know how a child that young would process it, but I'm sure they would be scared. 334 00:23:01,980 --> 00:23:07,980 Anxious. I'm sure that's probably fuels a lot of individuals anxiety and they don't even know it. 335 00:23:07,980 --> 00:23:20,980 Agreed. For sure. It makes me think of maybe even if the baby isn't abused, but the mom is just even just that exposure. 336 00:23:20,980 --> 00:23:30,980 So I'm not even saying the babies physically or sexually abused in any way, just being around that. 337 00:23:30,980 --> 00:23:42,980 You see babies if, you know, the dad or whoever's yelling at someone else in the house and abusing that, like they're crying, they pick up on that energy. 338 00:23:42,980 --> 00:23:51,980 And anybody that wants to argue with me on that opinion, explain to me how you can teach a six month old sign language. 339 00:23:51,980 --> 00:24:01,980 They pick up on it quick and probably even younger than six month old. I'm not sure I've never tried it, but I think it's a wonderful thing to teach an infant sign language. 340 00:24:01,980 --> 00:24:11,980 And if they're capable of picking that up that this means what I want, then what makes you think that they can't pick up what's going on in their environment? 341 00:24:11,980 --> 00:24:22,980 Anyways, that was a little, sorry, a little tangent, but it's important in this case because she grew up from the start in a horrible situation. 342 00:24:22,980 --> 00:24:32,980 I mean, I'm not, of course, I'm not saying she's innocent, but I also can't tell you what kind of woman I would be sitting here at 43 years old now. 343 00:24:32,980 --> 00:24:42,980 If my life started in abuse and not being wanted and to this day I'm still being abused, I can't tell you what kind of woman I would be. 344 00:24:42,980 --> 00:24:57,980 And I'm probably sure that any of you that are listening to me speak right now, you can't speak to that either. And if you can, I'm sorry that you had to experience anything that you did in your life. 345 00:24:57,980 --> 00:25:15,980 Okay. One of the things also with the movie that they didn't cover that was reality in this sort of realm was that she went through multiple attorneys as she sometimes contradicted herself. 346 00:25:15,980 --> 00:25:38,980 And they didn't cover that she wanted to be executed and the fact of her mental state deteriorating so much after she was convicted, which probably had something to do with why she was contradicting herself and why she said she wanted to be executed. 347 00:25:38,980 --> 00:25:47,980 But yeah, they didn't cover any of that mental illness. They also didn't cover her childhood abuse. 348 00:25:47,980 --> 00:25:52,980 No, they did not. They just started right off at the get go when she met Tyria. 349 00:25:52,980 --> 00:26:03,980 Yeah, it was more about that story, the love story and not sort of character development, but it was good regardless. We just didn't get to see that part. 350 00:26:03,980 --> 00:26:09,980 And just brought back memories when I watched it. Like I said, this is probably the third time watching it. And I'll probably watch it again. 351 00:26:09,980 --> 00:26:15,980 I've still got the DVD player hooked up just because it's an old blue ray player. 352 00:26:15,980 --> 00:26:17,980 Perfect. 353 00:26:17,980 --> 00:26:19,980 We still use it sometimes. 354 00:26:19,980 --> 00:26:24,980 Yeah, for the podcast. Sometimes yes. 355 00:26:24,980 --> 00:26:31,980 I had to borrow a DVD player from my neighbor to watch one of my movies for the podcast and I still have it. 356 00:26:31,980 --> 00:26:38,980 Oh, you still have it as Gary said they're cheap now. Aren't they just grab you on? We've had that blue ray player, my goodness. 357 00:26:38,980 --> 00:26:41,980 When we bought that thing, it was like $100. 358 00:26:41,980 --> 00:26:44,980 And how much are they now? 20? 359 00:26:44,980 --> 00:26:47,980 They're like $39. 360 00:26:47,980 --> 00:26:54,980 She hasn't asked for it back, so it's just chilling in the bedroom. Well, it's in safekeeping. 361 00:26:54,980 --> 00:26:57,980 All right, we have 10 minutes left on this Zoom. 362 00:26:57,980 --> 00:27:01,980 Okay, well, I guess we can kind of go over the ending then. 363 00:27:01,980 --> 00:27:03,980 Yeah. 364 00:27:03,980 --> 00:27:15,980 Yeah, it ends quietly and it has your emotional devastation and loss, of course. She is executed in 2002. 365 00:27:15,980 --> 00:27:19,980 She publicly stated that she welcomed death. 366 00:27:19,980 --> 00:27:32,980 And this case, it remains one of the most debated examples of gender, mental illness, and violence, and serial murder history. 367 00:27:32,980 --> 00:27:38,980 You've heard us in each episode debate all of those things. 368 00:27:38,980 --> 00:27:53,980 I don't think there's anything in these three episodes that I haven't said and probably that you haven't said about how we feel about pretty much all of it. 369 00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:54,980 Yeah. 370 00:27:54,980 --> 00:27:56,980 I don't think there's anything we missed. 371 00:27:56,980 --> 00:28:11,980 So if we go into a little more detail on this kind of stuff, if you want to watch the first episode, we covered a new-ish Netflix documentary that came out. 372 00:28:11,980 --> 00:28:20,980 And then the second episode was supposed to be paranormal, which ended up not necessarily being paranormal, but it was a documentary. 373 00:28:20,980 --> 00:28:22,980 There was a neat little watch. 374 00:28:22,980 --> 00:28:31,980 Yeah. It covered the locations, including the room that we were just talking about where Tyria and Eileen lived. 375 00:28:31,980 --> 00:28:39,980 That one, that right there's what sold me, the locations that she frequented and the hotel room. That's what sold me on that episode. 376 00:28:39,980 --> 00:28:48,980 It just wasn't as paranormal as I thought, but outside of that, it was worth a watch. Just to learn a little more, you know what? 377 00:28:48,980 --> 00:28:51,980 I definitely learned a few things from it. 378 00:28:51,980 --> 00:29:05,980 If you do run across anything paranormal or more so paranormal leaning toward her case or anywhere that she's been or just anything about her, let us know. 379 00:29:05,980 --> 00:29:07,980 Because we'll watch that too. 380 00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:14,980 I'm very interested in this story, which is why I had already known so much about it. 381 00:29:14,980 --> 00:29:24,980 So I would love to see an actual investigation or something to do with any of her locations. 382 00:29:24,980 --> 00:29:27,980 I just couldn't find anything. I don't know. 383 00:29:27,980 --> 00:29:30,980 Maybe we'll just have to take a trip to Florida sometime. 384 00:29:30,980 --> 00:29:32,980 Oh boy. 385 00:29:32,980 --> 00:29:34,980 It's okay. 386 00:29:34,980 --> 00:29:36,980 That's where all the crazies are. 387 00:29:36,980 --> 00:29:41,980 Well, we could have them show us around. What I call them. 388 00:29:41,980 --> 00:29:42,980 What were they? 389 00:29:42,980 --> 00:29:44,980 I don't remember. 390 00:29:44,980 --> 00:29:48,980 Fun and outgoing folks. What were they? 391 00:29:48,980 --> 00:29:56,980 I don't know. But whenever something happens where you're like, is this real or is this a fake headline? 392 00:29:56,980 --> 00:30:02,980 Then I'm like, it had to be Florida. And if it wasn't Florida, it was Colorado or Ohio. 393 00:30:02,980 --> 00:30:09,980 I don't know that show. I was telling you to watch Dr Insanity. You should see the stuff that's covered coming out Ohio. 394 00:30:09,980 --> 00:30:15,980 Oh, I know. I've said, "Dawn wants us to move there." 395 00:30:15,980 --> 00:30:19,980 That's another good show we were talking about that Freud-starred record. 396 00:30:19,980 --> 00:30:26,980 If you like YouTube, if you're watching us on YouTube, go check out Dr. Insanity. It's a true crime 397 00:30:26,980 --> 00:30:30,980 channel as well. And it's just pretty cool. I do like to watch that. 398 00:30:30,980 --> 00:30:32,980 I have to check it out. 399 00:30:32,980 --> 00:30:35,980 You're going to have to as much as going on in Ohio. 400 00:30:35,980 --> 00:30:40,980 I know, right? Like one night we watched, I think two or three episodes. 401 00:30:40,980 --> 00:30:49,980 And a lot of times if it's of different cases like the same genre of, they've done the same stuff, they'll be like four or five different. 402 00:30:49,980 --> 00:30:54,980 Like three out of six was Ohio in one of them. I was like, "Oh, yeah." 403 00:30:54,980 --> 00:30:56,980 Oh, it's surprising to no one. 404 00:30:56,980 --> 00:30:59,980 What are y'all doing on Ohio? 405 00:30:59,980 --> 00:31:07,980 I don't know. I don't know. But we have five minutes exactly. 406 00:31:07,980 --> 00:31:12,980 So let's do the rating and the ADHD rating. 407 00:31:12,980 --> 00:31:16,980 Didn't I go first last time you go first? 408 00:31:16,980 --> 00:31:18,980 Okay. I think you did. 409 00:31:18,980 --> 00:31:26,980 So my regular rating, 10 out of 10, no notes, perfect acting sets, everything. 410 00:31:26,980 --> 00:31:34,980 I have no, a movie that I'll watch multiple times is going to be a 10 out of 10. 411 00:31:34,980 --> 00:31:42,980 Just I really don't have, you know me, I'm honest. Like I usually have something to say about something. 412 00:31:42,980 --> 00:31:50,980 But I really don't. I just don't. I mean, I guess maybe it was a love story. 413 00:31:50,980 --> 00:31:58,980 I feel like they could have maybe covered somehow her past, her childhood. 414 00:31:58,980 --> 00:32:01,980 Yeah, I didn't think about it. I totally agree with you. 415 00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:06,980 But it's still turned out to, like it's a love story. It's not about her past. 416 00:32:06,980 --> 00:32:11,980 Right. So I get why they didn't cover it. So I'm not going to change my rating. 417 00:32:11,980 --> 00:32:16,980 But ADHD, I don't know. 418 00:32:16,980 --> 00:32:24,980 I mean, my brain is terrible. So I might give it an 8 out of 10 for ADHD. 419 00:32:24,980 --> 00:32:26,980 That's good. 420 00:32:26,980 --> 00:32:28,980 Yeah, it's high. 421 00:32:28,980 --> 00:32:38,980 Yeah. From my ratings, the only thing like I said that really bothered me was the way they made the murderous just seemed like, bam, bam, bam. 422 00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:46,980 Like it all happened in like two weeks or something. That, I mean, the way that I like the movie, that's not enough to do much. 423 00:32:46,980 --> 00:32:53,980 I'm going to give it a good nine because that did bother me a little bit, but not an, and then the hair. 424 00:32:53,980 --> 00:33:02,980 That was not a mallet. I'm not sure what that was, but that doesn't, that does not get away from, that doesn't take away from the rating. It just bothered me. 425 00:33:02,980 --> 00:33:12,980 Now my ADHD, I've watched it three times. So of course it's good. I'm going to give it a give it a nine. Let's go nine and nine. 426 00:33:12,980 --> 00:33:23,980 Perfect. And you know, Selby doesn't, so they really focus on making Charlize looks like Eileen. 427 00:33:23,980 --> 00:33:31,980 Selby does not look anything like Tyria, but it's probably done on purpose because you know, Tyria is like you can use this then other. 428 00:33:31,980 --> 00:33:41,980 They probably did it on purpose. Could we not just thinned out that little party in the back just a little bit to lay nicer with the clothes you want. That was really getting me. 429 00:33:41,980 --> 00:33:53,980 There are some mallets I love though. Yes, I love a good mullet, but we could have just took some thinning chairs around the party and just cut a few people out. 430 00:33:53,980 --> 00:34:03,980 We don't need that many folks in the party. I don't know, just bothered me, but not like I said not enough to do the rating. Yeah, obviously it's just hair. 431 00:34:03,980 --> 00:34:13,980 Just gets thinned. It was so good. I'm sure there are people that haven't seen it and go watch it. I'm going to say it is quietly. 432 00:34:13,980 --> 00:34:27,980 So yesterday when I was doing more research for the podcast, I found it free on YouTube. Of course she did. So there you go everybody, you have no excuse. 433 00:34:27,980 --> 00:34:41,980 Of course you found it on YouTube. Now that's where we're going to go back to where can I watch? It's never right. If that would have said YouTube, then it had been no problem from the get-do. 434 00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:53,980 But still, it doesn't matter. I got the copy and I'm okay with it. Yeah, now you have it for future. And it was only five bucks. So if you find it on eBay, buy it because you're going to want to watch it again. It's so good. 435 00:34:53,980 --> 00:35:05,980 It's one of that. Well, now if you go through a winner like we did last winner and we didn't have power, if you have a little generator that can work a TV or something, you have movies. 436 00:35:05,980 --> 00:35:21,980 Alright, we have 20 seconds. So we'll meet back here in two weeks. We're starting a new trio, which I'm so excited about. I can't wait. I can't wait. I know. Thanks for listening. We'll talk to you soon. Bye. 437 00:35:21,980 --> 00:35:31,980 You didn't say mate back here in a week or two weeks. I did. But we'll meet back here in two weeks. I did. I didn't hear it. Bye. 438 00:35:31,980 --> 00:35:45,980 Thanks for making it to the end and hanging out with us. Keep on the lookout for our next episode and stay gruesome. 439 00:35:45,980 --> 00:35:49,980 [Music]