1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,000 [Music] 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,920 Hello and welcome to our podcast Talk Gruesome to me, where we talk about movies and shows 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,800 that cover true crime, paranormal, and horror. 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,600 I am one of your hosts, Dawn. 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:27,400 I am currently located in Los Angeles and I think I'm pretty well versed in the horror 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:28,400 genre. 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,000 Especially those 80s classics. 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:32,720 A quick fun fact about me? 9 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,720 I have a very extensive crystal collection. 10 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,720 Hello, I'm Amy. 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:42,280 I'm from Kentucky and my area of expertise for this podcast is paranormal. 12 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,000 A few fun facts about me. 13 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,000 I'm an empath. 14 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,120 I collect old dolls and you know, I've never flown on an airplane. 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,440 Can you believe that? 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,920 Now Dawn and I are also obsessed with true crime, so here we are. 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:55,960 Talk Gruesome to me. 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:05,960 [Music] 19 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:09,960 I know that my god is real. 20 00:01:09,960 --> 00:01:19,280 Okay, now I want to say that in this place, during all of this that's going on, there 21 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:20,280 was an angel. 22 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:27,480 There was my god standing right there with me the entire time. 23 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:30,920 Everything we know about this case comes from you. 24 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:31,920 Absolutely. 25 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,760 Absolutely what? 26 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:40,000 Everything you know about this case comes from me. 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,000 You just said that. 28 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,960 I agreed with you by saying the word "absolutely". 29 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:46,960 Where are you confused? 30 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:47,960 [Laughs] 31 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:48,960 Okay. 32 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,600 Welcome to Mark Goodyear's brain. 33 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:54,600 [Laughs] 34 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,600 Welcome in. 35 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:57,600 Yes. 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:58,600 All right. 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,880 We are starting a new trio. 38 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:02,880 Yay. 39 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,880 I'm so excited. 40 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:12,360 This one is cool because a few weeks back, someone who follows the podcast and listens to 41 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:18,880 it suggested that we cover this and obviously we jumped on it. 42 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,080 Amy knew about this case somehow. 43 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,080 I don't know how. 44 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:29,840 I wasn't really familiar with it and it's a big case so I don't know where I've been. 45 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,040 Today's the day. 46 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:32,280 I have heard of it. 47 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,200 I come across a documentary, something like that on TV. 48 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,800 I did watch that and then I also watched Ghost Adventures, where Zac Baggins and his 49 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,960 team went there. 50 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,240 And I'm sure I watched that as well and just didn't really... 51 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:48,240 Put two and two together. 52 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,240 Yeah, I guess. 53 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:56,560 But our next trio is Herb Baumeister. 54 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,160 He is a suspected serial killer. 55 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:00,760 I mean, I don't think suspected. 56 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:01,760 I think we're pretty. 57 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:02,760 I think we're pretty. 58 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:03,760 You don't think so? 59 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:04,760 Yeah. 60 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:10,080 Because he may have murdered over a dozen men possibly more. 61 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,440 I'm gonna say definitely more. 62 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:15,320 On your side and I say, there's more. 63 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,560 I don't see how they really couldn't be. 64 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,040 But this case, man, it's messy. 65 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:25,840 There's bones in the backyard, missing evidence. 66 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,320 And we're still left with all kinds of unanswered questions. 67 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:31,320 Yep. 68 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,760 So let's talk about him in general. 69 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:40,280 And this is a really, really high overview before we get into what we watched. 70 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:42,960 There's so much to this case. 71 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:46,880 So these are just super basic facts. 72 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:53,040 Herbert Richard Baumeister was born in 1947 in Indianapolis. 73 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,800 And on the surface, you have to look up a picture of this guy. 74 00:03:57,800 --> 00:04:03,440 He looked so much just like your typical suburban dad. 75 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:04,440 He was married. 76 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:05,680 He had three kids. 77 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,560 They lived in this beautiful, huge house. 78 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:14,280 They ran a thrift store business that was called to Save A Lot. 79 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,400 A grocery store, actually. 80 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:17,400 Oh. 81 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,920 Yeah, it's actually a grocery store. 82 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:20,920 Oh, I missed that part. 83 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:25,120 Yeah, we had one in this town and then one in the other county that I lived. 84 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:26,640 It's a grocery store. 85 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:31,160 It's not named brand and everything's a little bit cheaper. 86 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,720 I'm not sure if there's any of them even open anymore. 87 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:36,720 I'm not sure. 88 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:37,720 Yeah, probably not. 89 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,640 But yeah, Dawn, you said that right. 90 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:48,480 And that's important because nothing about Herb's outward life screamed that he was going 91 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,440 out doing these things and that he was a serial killer. 92 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,840 Except people who knew him said that he was, you know, kind of off. 93 00:04:56,840 --> 00:05:01,120 He was socially awkward, a little bit controlling. 94 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,200 And sometimes he could be aggressive. 95 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:11,600 And in that, we watched a YouTube episode in what we watched, it did say that he did go 96 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,600 into a mental hospital at one point. 97 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:20,720 It wasn't, it didn't seem like anything that would make you be like, hey, this guy's a serial 98 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:21,720 killer. 99 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,840 So he did have that history of mental health issues and erratic behavior. 100 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:32,880 But like I said, nothing that anyone thought that they should intervene and that it was that 101 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:33,880 serious. 102 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:39,000 Yeah,  like I just said, they thought that he was just a little bit off. 103 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:45,040 But between the early 1980s and the mid 1990s, men began disappearing in the Indianapolis 104 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,240 area. 105 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:51,240 Most of them were gay men and many of them were last seen in bars and clubs. 106 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:52,240 Right. 107 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:59,200 And that part actually does matter because during that time, crimes involving that LGBTQ 108 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:03,840 community, you know, those weren't taken as seriously back then. 109 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:04,840 Exactly. 110 00:06:04,840 --> 00:06:10,760 It's sad, but there was less urgency, less media attention, which allowed someone like 111 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:15,840 Baumeister to operate a lot longer than someone nowadays. 112 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:22,680 There are at least seven confirmed victims connected to him, but estimates go up to 25 or 113 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:24,680 I'm going to say probably more. 114 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:28,760 Oh, I'm going to agree with that. 115 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,920 Now this part sort of makes this case infamous. 116 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,120 The house, it was called Fox Hollow Farm. 117 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:42,160 When you're looking through and just doing a Google search for her Baumeister, you'll see 118 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,920 Fox Hollow Farm come up a lot. 119 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:47,800 Some of the documentaries and things are named that. 120 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:52,200 But this was his 18 acre property. 121 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,840 So huge. 122 00:06:54,840 --> 00:06:58,320 Outside Indianapolis, it was in Westfield, Indiana. 123 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:03,360 But it was full of woods, trails, secluded areas. 124 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:08,920 So you know, the perfect place to hide something. 125 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,560 Or in this case, sadly, someone. 126 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:13,560 Right. 127 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:20,000 In 1996, the police finally searched the property and then obviously what they found was 128 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,000 horrifying. 129 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,720 They found human remains. 130 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:27,200 Thousands of bone fragments were scattered around the woods. 131 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:32,920 Some of them were burned, some of them were crushed, but they were all spread out all over. 132 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:38,240 Yeah, and they were not laid out like a proper burial site. 133 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,520 This was more just like a dumping ground. 134 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:48,200 Investigators believe that Baumeister would meet these men at gay bars and then he would bring 135 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,440 them back to this house, Fox Hollow Farm. 136 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:58,560 That's where he would kill them and then there is evidence suggesting that his primary 137 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:04,000 method or his way of killing these men was strangulation. 138 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,560 And that's the chilling part. 139 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:09,640 Some witnesses described a mannequin staged by the pool area. 140 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:15,680 One of the victims who survived said Baumeister tried to strangle him during a game involving 141 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,280 that mannequin. 142 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:24,120 But this man did escape luckily and his account did help them connect a lot of the dots in this 143 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,120 case. 144 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:31,760 I'm going to give a hint for our trio online and I'm going to put a mannequin. 145 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:32,920 You really need to. 146 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,040 That is so creepy. 147 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:39,520 And what kind of games can you play with a mannequin? 148 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:44,360 I don't know, but it'll be interesting to see because that's such a big part of this 149 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:45,360 case. 150 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:49,160 It's interesting to see if anyone knows what it is based off the mannequin. 151 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:50,160 I can't wait. 152 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,640 I don't know. 153 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,720 But here is where the case gets frustrating. 154 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,320 Police actually had leads in 1994. 155 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:08,080 They started looking into him as a suspect in missing person's cases, but they couldn't 156 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:13,200 search his property because his wife would not give permission and they didn't have a 157 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,720 warrant and they do cover that in this YouTube episode we watched. 158 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:23,160 We'll talk about it in a few minutes, but yes, so frustrating. 159 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,160 And I don't even understand. 160 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,840 No, I don't understand, but go ahead and let that sink in. 161 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:35,280 By the time they got access, it was already way too late because in 1996 before he could 162 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:41,720 be arrested, Baumeister fled to Canada and he was found dead in a park in Ontario. 163 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,240 He actually died by suicide. 164 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,880 I'm really not surprised. 165 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:54,360 No, and also in that two years between '94 and '96, how many more men died because of 166 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,040 her not giving that access? 167 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,360 Absolutely. 168 00:09:58,360 --> 00:09:59,360 Back to the suicide. 169 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:06,240 So he did leave a note, but it did not confess to any of the murders. 170 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:13,280 It focused on his failing marriage and his business problem, so we never got a confession. 171 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,600 There was no explanation and no closure. 172 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,440 The case isn't even over yet. 173 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,040 No, not even close. 174 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:28,720 No as recently as the 2020s, investigators have continued testing DNA from the remains found 175 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:34,520 at Fox Hollow Farms because many victims, they're still unidentified. 176 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:41,120 These are out there and they're still wondering if some of these victims might be their family, 177 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,040 friend, close relative, love, if they're theirs. 178 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,840 That's so sad. 179 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:48,840 It is. 180 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:49,840 It's horrible. 181 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:56,320 Again, some of this probably could have been solved and prevented, but here we are. 182 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,640 By a simple sure, go ahead and take a look. 183 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:00,800 Yep. 184 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:05,400 On this podcast, we've said it before. 185 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:06,400 I'm going to say it again. 186 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,720 We like to make sure that we are factual and if we aren't, we say so. 187 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:16,000 So let's just give a few facts versus speculation. 188 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,000 Great idea. 189 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:23,200 Now the first fact he has strongly linked to multiple murders through physical evidence. 190 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:24,640 Fact two. 191 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:28,280 Human remains were found on his property. 192 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:33,080 And then fact three, a surviving victim described his attack. 193 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:40,040 And then some of the speculations, there is no exact number of victims yet. 194 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:47,600 As Amy said earlier, I think it's around 11, but up to possibly 25, they don't know. 195 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,440 So that's not that's just speculation. 196 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:57,960 And then also did he work alone or did he have connections to other cases? 197 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:58,960 We don't know that. 198 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:05,360 There has been discussion about similarities between Baumeister and another serial killer, 199 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:11,200 Bruce McArthur, but there's no confirmed link there. 200 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,200 No. 201 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:16,960 Now that we've given you a brief overview of this case, let's talk about what we watched. 202 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:23,920 We both watched a YouTube video by Seminoid, Semoy, S-E-M-M-I-O-T. 203 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:25,840 I'm not sure how to say that. 204 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:30,120 But it was called Her Baumeister and the Fox Hollow Farms cover up. 205 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,600 And that was about two and a half hours. 206 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:39,680 And then we also did extra credit and watched Crime 360, the killer who buried secrets in 207 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:41,280 his backyard. 208 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:43,880 That was about roughly 45 minutes. 209 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,480 Yeah, they were both. 210 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:52,360 But that shorter one that's 45 minutes, the killer who buried secrets in his backyard. 211 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,640 It kind of covered all the same stuff. 212 00:12:55,640 --> 00:13:00,320 It even had the same interviews with the wife and that more Goodyear guy. 213 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:07,200 So it's kind of the same just nowhere near as much information obviously because the other 214 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,280 one's two and a half hours. 215 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,600 So dare I ask. 216 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:16,840 They were both more set up like educational films. 217 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:18,160 Oh, great. 218 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,480 A lot of information. 219 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:21,480 That. 220 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,200 And it was hard for me, you know, with ADHD. 221 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:31,640 But like I said, it's definitely worth a watch because they go all the way from here to there 222 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:34,800 and things that you had no clues of. 223 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:44,280 It just to me, it felt like I was in school and there was a teacher just talking forever 224 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:49,400 and giving me information that I don't learn that way. 225 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:56,040 So it was really hard for me to retain their, listen, this person did an amazing job. 226 00:13:56,040 --> 00:13:58,360 Whoever put this together. 227 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:06,080 There were so many facts and names and a lot of it focused on the victims too, which obviously 228 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,840 Amy and I try to do as well. 229 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:14,600 It's just sitting there for two and a half hours listening to someone talk. 230 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:19,000 And I couldn't even tell if it was a real person or AI, but whatever. 231 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:26,600 I don't, it just in the middle, definitely I had a hard time listening anymore. 232 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:32,240 Yeah, it definitely started at point A and end at point B with no break in between. 233 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,360 Just so much information, which isn't bad. 234 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:40,280 No, it's just very, I don't know. 235 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:45,200 Like I said, it just reminded me of being back in school and I was not a great student 236 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:46,200 so. 237 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:47,200 Yeah. 238 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:48,920 It was hard. 239 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:52,480 It was definitely right there in your face. 240 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,480 Are you ready to take some notes and dive deep into Herb? 241 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,520 That's what they both are set up. 242 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,320 I listen, we're not telling it like you should watch either of them. 243 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,880 I don't think you need to watch both. 244 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:11,320 It's sort of the same information, but definitely we're not telling you don't watch it. 245 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:18,400 It's just we like to give you an honest overview of what the experience is like. 246 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,000 Yeah, they were pretty much the same. 247 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:27,760 It was set up in your 80s style with someone just talking you through it. 248 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:31,200 Now the wife, I guess let's start with her. 249 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,200 Okay. 250 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,160 So many questions. 251 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,880 So many. 252 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:37,880 What is happening? 253 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:46,120 So, the first thing is that she said that they only had sex I think four or five six times. 254 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:47,120 Six times. 255 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,600 And they have three children. 256 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,400 It felt like just the way that they talked about their marriage. 257 00:15:53,400 --> 00:16:00,360 It felt transactional or something like maybe it was a marriage of convenience. 258 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,560 Maybe she was hiding his homosexuality. 259 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:05,560 I don't know. 260 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:07,960 Which is fine, but I wish I knew. 261 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,360 Which is because it's strange. 262 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:10,360 Yeah. 263 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,920 Well, yeah, he's a serial killer. 264 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,560 So we're already starting off strange. 265 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,040 Right. 266 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,360 I don't know. 267 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:20,360 I don't know. 268 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:22,960 Like maybe they had some agreement. 269 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:25,160 Like you said, that's fine. 270 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:33,120 But at one point her young child found a skeleton in their yard. 271 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,760 And she did not call the police. 272 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:36,760 No. 273 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,840 And she can say, I don't care how many times she wants to that she was just trying to keep 274 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,040 the children out. 275 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:49,520 As soon as your child found a person's remains in the yard, your child was brought into this. 276 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,000 So you should have done the right thing and go ahead and call the police. 277 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,000 Right. 278 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,640 I don't know how anybody could ever believe that that was a medical skeleton. 279 00:16:58,640 --> 00:16:59,640 Oh, yeah. 280 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:00,640 Yeah. 281 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,640 That's what she said. 282 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:04,640 And what? 283 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,080 Okay, if it is, why is it in the yard? 284 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:08,480 Why is it in the yard? 285 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:15,360 But also when the cops finally do come to you, you don't give them permission knowing that 286 00:17:15,360 --> 00:17:17,760 there was a skeleton in your yard. 287 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:18,760 What is that? 288 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,240 I'd been like, would you like some coffee or tea or some snack? 289 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:23,240 Go ahead and go. 290 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,240 Yeah. 291 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:25,240 Exactly. 292 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,320 Yeah, I just don't know what her reason is. 293 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,240 I don't think that she knew what he was doing. 294 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,480 I don't believe that. 295 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:33,480 Do you? 296 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:34,480 No. 297 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:40,840 Well, I don't think she knew either, but there were definitely some signs. 298 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:49,520 And I think that when that point came about of where the cops were involved, that should 299 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:50,520 have changed everything. 300 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,520 Oh, 100%. 301 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:56,520 You should already start thinking back about some of the weird stuff and then you found 302 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:57,520 a skeleton. 303 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,560 And at one point, didn't she say she'd forgot about it? 304 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,320 Oh, gosh, I don't know. 305 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:03,320 I think so. 306 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,120 How do you forget that there was a skeleton in your yard? 307 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:10,920 You, that is so absurd. 308 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,320 I cannot. 309 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:13,320 I can't. 310 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:23,000 Like she, the interviews with her, she also just seemed really cold and it gave me the feelings 311 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:27,760 that she didn't care about the victims at all and I didn't like it and it was gross. 312 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:28,760 I'm going to repeat again. 313 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,080 I don't think she had anything to do with any of the killings. 314 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:37,120 But I don't understand the way she acts afterwards when she knows the truth. 315 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:40,400 And those victims, I mean, at that point, it's about the victims. 316 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,840 It's not about you, it's not about your kids, it's not about your marriage, it's about 317 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:49,680 people who have missing loved ones that don't know what happened to them. 318 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:58,360 They just, one day, never talked to them again and that has to be a horrible feeling. 319 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:03,880 At that point, it should have been 100% about the victims, that's it. 320 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,280 Unless she herself also had a mental illness. 321 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:08,760 I don't know. 322 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:10,520 I don't know either. 323 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:18,360 So there were definitely weird things just with her and their marriage and the whole thing. 324 00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:19,600 And again, not weird. 325 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:28,320 Again, maybe they had an agreement, not weird about that, but weird about, I don't know, 326 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:33,040 so at one point, oh yeah, we should talk about this. 327 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:40,720 He did go into a mental hospital and it was for a decent amount of time. 328 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,360 I'm curious because they didn't really address it. 329 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:50,360 When he got out, she didn't really say, did he stay on meds? 330 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:52,600 Like was he fine then? 331 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:58,240 Did he exhibit any of those same behaviors after he got out of the hospital? 332 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:05,840 They didn't really, and maybe they didn't ask her that, but I didn't hear anything about 333 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:12,560 how he was really as a person in those, because that was early on in their relationship. 334 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:13,560 Right, yes. 335 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:19,680 So like was there weirdness, the whole marriage with him or I don't know. 336 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:20,680 Very strange. 337 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:22,440 I don't know. 338 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,440 I don't even know what else to say about her, yeah, just strange. 339 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:31,440 We were talking through this for so long, two and a half hours, this episode was if you 340 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:36,000 would think that they would have covered that if that was something that was out there in 341 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,000 the public. 342 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,680 You would think, but the next strange character, what about Mark Goodyear? 343 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,560 Oh boy. 344 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,920 You got a taste his thinking in the beginning of this episode. 345 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:53,200 Yes, that was him talking. 346 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,800 His stories changed. 347 00:20:55,800 --> 00:21:02,520 He's done several interviews that they talked about and they played clips from. 348 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,240 And his story wasn't consistent. 349 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:13,760 He also at one point said that he and her have had a two-year relationship and that he knew 350 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,280 him better than anyone. 351 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,800 This is just my personal belief. 352 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:24,160 I think he knew what was happening. 353 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:30,920 I don't know that I think he helped or that he was involved. 354 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:40,560 However, his changing of his stories is suspect and then it does make me wonder was he participating 355 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:41,560 in these murders? 356 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:42,560 I don't know. 357 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,000 Or maybe not the murders, but hiding the bodies or something. 358 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,560 I don't know. 359 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:52,440 The one who survived, we do know that they didn't mention anyone else with Herb. 360 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,840 So maybe he just knew or helped dispose of? 361 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:58,200 I don't know. 362 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,680 But he's very odd and he's sleazy. 363 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,920 He's just very... 364 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,440 I think he knows more than what he's letting on. 365 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,160 Oh, absolutely. 366 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,080 I think so too. 367 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:21,000 He's just one of those people that gives you really bad juju. 368 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:28,240 Like, there's just something about him that seems dark and chaotic. 369 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,120 Yeah, I'm not a fan. 370 00:22:30,120 --> 00:22:34,960 I don't even think I'd really want to be in the room with him to hear in his story. 371 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:35,960 So... 372 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,960 Yeah, that tells you right there, same. 373 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:39,960 I don't know. 374 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:40,960 He's very creepy. 375 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:46,160 He is arrogant with the side of sleaziness. 376 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,160 So he's just an arrogant sleaze. 377 00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,960 I don't know how they're just scramming him. 378 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:51,960 Right. 379 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,800 They did talk about the possibility of... 380 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:04,520 They're being other people involved because at certain points or on certain days more 381 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,000 than one person disappeared. 382 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:14,960 So how could one single person commit the same type of crime being that extensive? 383 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,600 I mean, listen. 384 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:17,600 I don't know. 385 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:18,600 I've never done it. 386 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:24,680 But going out, finding someone, killing them, burying them, like that seems exhausting. 387 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,600 Seems like a lot of work to me. 388 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:27,600 Yeah. 389 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:28,600 Right. 390 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:34,880 But doing it multiple times in one day seems extra kind of unbelievable to be doing that on 391 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:35,880 your own. 392 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:36,880 But who knows? 393 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,960 Maybe somehow I had superhuman strength. 394 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,080 Maybe the adrenaline, I don't know. 395 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:48,840 But I mean, Mark might not even be guilty of anything. 396 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,000 He's just awful sketchy, I will say. 397 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:53,000 Right. 398 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,000 Maybe he's just weird. 399 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,000 I don't know. 400 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,000 Maybe. 401 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,320 Weird and dark. 402 00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:58,320 Yeah. 403 00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,760 This case right here though. 404 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:05,600 This one is one that if you get too deep in it, it's definitely going to stick with you. 405 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,600 Oh. 406 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:07,600 Yeah. 407 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:08,600 For sure. 408 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:10,480 This one. 409 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,320 It feels incomplete. 410 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,320 Didn't they just find another body in the last few years? 411 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,920 I believe so, yes. 412 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:18,920 Yeah. 413 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:19,920 Right. 414 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:23,960 So, I feel like there are a lot more people. 415 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,920 And 18 acres, that's such a huge property. 416 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:27,920 A lot of land. 417 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,800 It's so unfortunate because there's names we still don't know. 418 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,640 Still stories that haven't been told. 419 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:42,400 And a serial killer who took the truth of this whole matter with him. 420 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,400 Yeah. 421 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:49,040 And we always try to do this if we can on missing persons. 422 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:56,880 But if you have information related to any of the unidentified victims or just any information 423 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:03,080 again, this was in the early to mid 90s outside of Indianapolis. 424 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,600 I believe it was Westfield. 425 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:12,040 That number for the Indiana State Police Missing Persons is a hotline. 426 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,600 It's 833-466-2653. 427 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:16,600 Yeah. 428 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:24,480 If you know anything or know anything, please give them a call, help them try to finish. 429 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,640 And maybe I don't know. 430 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,840 I can't say find them all. 431 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,040 Maybe just helps more families. 432 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:33,040 Right. 433 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,560 Maybe I'm making this up in my head as like a hopeful. 434 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:45,760 Did they cover in that episode more missing men that they haven't found yet? 435 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,440 Maybe I'm making that up. 436 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,840 Family still looking. 437 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:49,840 Oh, okay. 438 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:50,840 Yeah. 439 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:51,840 Yeah. 440 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,960 That's why I was going to say hopefully they can finish this case up and find everyone. 441 00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,440 But I don't know how long that's going to take. 442 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,240 That property is so big. 443 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:02,240 Yeah. 444 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,880 I don't even know how. 445 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,160 I guess cadaver dogs, I mean, how do you, with a property that big? 446 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,200 Like, how do you even attempt that? 447 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,200 I don't know. 448 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,720 It's a lot of land. 449 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,960 Just keep watching us because there's going to be updates. 450 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,520 This story isn't finished. 451 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:29,080 And if Dawn fills anything like I do, we will do updates. 452 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:34,520 Especially if anyone else is brought to light, they're found and a family is reunited 453 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,920 with their loved one again. 454 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:37,920 Right. 455 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,280 So, there was the Hulu documentary. 456 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:42,280 That is recent. 457 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,920 I think it was put out last year that people say it's really great. 458 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,920 It's four episodes. 459 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:49,920 We didn't watch that, but... 460 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,920 I wish we did. 461 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:52,920 I know. 462 00:26:52,920 --> 00:27:02,720 I'm thinking because I bet you since it's newer and it's just a different person putting 463 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:09,280 it together at director, it's probably a little less because it's not a YouTube video. 464 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:13,360 It's less just someone sitting there talking through all of this. 465 00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:18,640 So I'd be like, who would be able to focus a little better? 466 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:19,720 Maybe. 467 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,400 We cover that on... 468 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,520 Maybe we split it up for a couple of episodes. 469 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:31,000 Yeah, one and two on the minisodes and then three and four on a separate minisode or something. 470 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,880 Because I feel like there's so much more that I want to cover, especially about the victims. 471 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,080 But that was this section. 472 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,560 This is the part that sucks. 473 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,720 The part about the victims is what I want to pay attention to the most, but that was the 474 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:51,160 part where it just was him talking for a really, really, really long period of time. 475 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,960 So it was the hardest to pay attention. 476 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:54,960 So... 477 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:55,960 Right. 478 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:02,480 I would like to watch more and I even said to Amy after we watch both of these. 479 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:09,080 I said, you know, listening to this story made me want to watch even more about it. 480 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,400 So maybe we'll do that. 481 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,720 You just go to YouTube and type in her Baumeister. 482 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:20,400 There is video after video after video after video after video. 483 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,640 How many to watch a bad history? 484 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,960 Yeah, we just don't know if there are any good. 485 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:33,040 That's the one thing about watching YouTube videos is a lot of times that's what you get. 486 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:34,880 It's just a person talking. 487 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:35,880 Right. 488 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:36,880 Sadly. 489 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,880 That's the hardest thing for me to watch and it sounds like you as well. 490 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,080 Where it is, it really is. 491 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,520 I am excited. 492 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,800 I know this is on the other side of what we do. 493 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,800 But I'm also excited to re-raw, re-raw, re-raw. 494 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:53,800 Re-ruch. 495 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,800 I can't talk here for a minute to rewatch one of the... 496 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,560 Maybe I guess we're going to try to watch the ghost adventure episode? 497 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,400 Definitely, yeah. 498 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:09,800 Because I want to now go back and pay attention to responses and what activity they call it. 499 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,480 Oh, that's another thing. 500 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,000 I'm glad you said that. 501 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:17,840 The person who now owns the house and I think he's owned it for quite some years. 502 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:24,560 He seems really open to paranormal and just try... 503 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,280 Although he is friends with Mark Goodear, it sounded like which is a little weird. 504 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:33,600 But it sounds like he hasn't let a ton of people in there to investigate. 505 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,640 I think that group was called Paranormal Connections, maybe. 506 00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,040 Yes, it was. 507 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:39,040 Okay. 508 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,960 So, he has let a couple of groups in there to investigate. 509 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,600 So there isn't a lot out there as far as paranormal goes. 510 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:54,600 In fact, it might just be Ghost Adventures that has been able to put something together. 511 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:59,880 But we'll look around and that'll be the next episode as paranormal. 512 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,920 Maybe one of the other teams put theirs on YouTube. 513 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:07,960 Yeah, I looked around a little but I haven't really found much else paranormal. 514 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:13,640 I mean, there's people who will walk outside or whatever. 515 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,400 You know what I mean, but they don't actually go in and investigate. 516 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:23,800 So, we'll let you know next episode what we find for paranormal wise. 517 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:24,800 There's just not a lot. 518 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:25,800 Because who knows? 519 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:29,600 Some of the victims that are still out there might be trying to reach out. 520 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,600 I know. 521 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,600 Yes. 522 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:35,960 Oh God, I wonder if they are. 523 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:40,360 No one's going there to investigate. 524 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,360 That's awful. 525 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,880 We should try. 526 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,760 I would love to. 527 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,440 It's very close to me. 528 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,720 Yeah, we should reach out to that guy. 529 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,320 I don't know. 530 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:56,240 Just from that perspective, I don't even care. 531 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:02,720 I mean, I guess, yeah, maybe by the pool because that's where it sounded like things that 532 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,720 have related. 533 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:04,720 And then the woods. 534 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:11,720 The woods is where I would really want to investigate and see if anyone's trying to 535 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:13,200 be located. 536 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,200 I agree. 537 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:21,000 But maybe if we message that guy from that vantage point of listen, we believe there are 538 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,600 more people out here. 539 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:27,640 Could we come see if we can find anyone? 540 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,640 Yeah. 541 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,920 See if anyone would like to come offer a voice. 542 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,440 Maybe he doesn't want that. 543 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,440 But if he doesn't want like the cops digging up his whole yard. 544 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,280 Well, it'd be more so on the woods, wouldn't it? 545 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,280 Yeah. 546 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,280 I wouldn't care. 547 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,280 Come dig on my property. 548 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:45,280 Get them out of here. 549 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,120 Put them to a proper rest. 550 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,120 Yeah. 551 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,120 Okay. 552 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,120 Yeah. 553 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,600 I just don't know where his head's at. 554 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:52,640 Yeah, I don't either. 555 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,360 I would definitely love to check the property out for sure. 556 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,360 Yeah. 557 00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,360 We should. 558 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:00,360 We should try that. 559 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:01,840 I mean, so they say no. 560 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:02,840 You know what I mean? 561 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:03,840 Yeah. 562 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:05,840 I’ve been told no before. 563 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:06,840 Yeah, exactly. 564 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:08,080 So it's fun. 565 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,080 Not a big deal. 566 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:10,080 Yeah. 567 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,480 Definitely more to come. 568 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:17,440 Like I said in the beginning, this was so little information and so high level. 569 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,440 And, you know, once we get through these next few episodes, especially if we're going 570 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:27,640 to do some minisods on it as well, we'll have a lot more information. 571 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,480 And maybe when minisode, we can highlight victims. 572 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:37,760 Yeah, I think that for our bigger cases like this, that would be a good way to approach 573 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,680 them from now on. 574 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:46,000 Because with cases like Herb and some of the others, there's a lot to their story. 575 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:52,080 And it's just in 40 minutes, a lot of time on Zoom. 576 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,080 It's hard. 577 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,080 For YouTube. 578 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:55,800 It's really hard. 579 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,360 And I mean, we've really stuck to the topic today. 580 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,280 We didn't veer off at all and we only have four minutes left. 581 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,280 And it's actually good. 582 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:05,880 And let me double check here. 583 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:06,880 I don't. 584 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,400 Oh, that Audacity is recording. 585 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,280 So we're not going to have another one like we did yesterday. 586 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,280 Yeah. 587 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,960 Today is day two of us recording this, by the way. 588 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:18,560 Something happened on Amy's side. 589 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,000 So she updated her computer and hopefully we're good to go today. 590 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,000 I didn't know. 591 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,000 It didn't tell me that I had an update. 592 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,400 So I went and checked and I did. 593 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:34,280 So updated it were good, but we talked for about five minutes yesterday and it cut us off. 594 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:35,960 And it's not true. 595 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:36,960 We are on here. 596 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:37,960 What? 597 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:38,960 Close to 40 minutes. 598 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:39,960 Yep. 599 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,960 Yeah. 600 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:41,960 So here we are today. 601 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,000 Redo, and it's okay though. 602 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,000 That's okay. 603 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,000 Yeah. 604 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,040 That Zoom 40 minutes, it's hard for Amy and I to get all of the information. 605 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,040 And even when we stay on track like today. 606 00:33:54,040 --> 00:34:01,440 So we should, on these, like you said, bigger cases with this many victims and just so much 607 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,680 to it, we could utilize those mini soads for more info. 608 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:06,680 Absolutely. 609 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:07,680 I agree. 610 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:12,680 I think that would be a good way because I feel like we start on a case in even three episodes. 611 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:18,240 You haven't really told enough to let somebody know much about it. 612 00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:19,240 So yeah. 613 00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:20,240 Yeah. 614 00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:25,680 And I feel like the paranormal and the horror episodes are so specific. 615 00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:26,680 Yeah. 616 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:27,680 Yeah. 617 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:32,520 We don't cover usually, well historically, it's not that we can't. 618 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,720 We in the paranormal episode and the horror episode, we kind of just stick to those. 619 00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:44,360 You know, those are so specific that we don't really get into victims and facts and stuff 620 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:45,360 like that. 621 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,160 So with this one, maybe we could replace our horror with another true crime. 622 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:51,160 Maybe yeah. 623 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:52,160 Yeah. 624 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,160 We'll figure it out. 625 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:54,160 We can do. 626 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,160 It's our podcast. 627 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:56,160 It is. 628 00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,160 We won't. 629 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,520 I don't know what we could even watch to be horror. 630 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,520 I mean, for Herb. 631 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,840 No, there was, there's a horror. 632 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:03,840 There's a movie. 633 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:04,840 Is there? 634 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:05,840 Yeah. 635 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:06,840 Sorry. 636 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:12,080 I also just, I got excited and I hit my, you're going to hear my cord to my headphones. 637 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:13,080 But it's okay. 638 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:14,080 Is it? 639 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,080 I'm excited. 640 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,240 Like in good taste. 641 00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:18,240 I don't know. 642 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:19,240 I have to look it up again. 643 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:22,200 I don't remember because I looked it up a few weeks ago. 644 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:29,200 Well, we've got the opportunity to do another true crime or to do the horror movie. 645 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,560 So you guys get busy in the comments and let us know what you would like to see better. 646 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:34,560 Yes. 647 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:39,960 And if you have any other people you want us to cover, tell us over on social. 648 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:45,720 Yeah, because I do think we could do a lot better about covering the victims, the 649 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:50,480 person who did commit the crime and maybe their background as well. 650 00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,280 I don't think that would hurt. 651 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,280 Nope. 652 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,280 All right. 653 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,400 Well, we'll meet back here in two weeks. 654 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,480 We have less than a minute on this Zoom. 655 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,240 We'll do the paranormal episode in between. 656 00:36:03,240 --> 00:36:07,040 We'll have a minisode, which obviously we're still going to figure out what we want to 657 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,040 do. 658 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,560 But yeah, thank you for being here and listening to us. 659 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:23,920 We will see you all later. 660 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:24,920 Bye. 661 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:25,920 Thanks for making it to the end and hanging out with us. 662 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,120 Keep on the lookout for our next episode and stay gruesome. 663 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:33,120 [Music]