1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,000 [Music] 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,920 Hello and welcome to our podcast Talk Gruesome to me, where we talk about movies and shows 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:22,960 that cover true crime, paranormal, and horror. I am one of your hosts, Dawn. I am currently located 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:30,880 in Los Angeles and I think I'm pretty well versed in the horror genre, especially those 80s classics. 5 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:35,120 A quick fun fact about me, I have a very extensive crystal collection. 6 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:42,160 Hello, I'm Amy. I'm from Kentucky and my area of expertise for this podcast is paranormal. 7 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:47,920 A few fun facts about me, I'm an empath, I collect old dolls and you know, I've never flown on 8 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:54,560 an airplane. Can you believe that? Now Dawn and I are also obsessed with true crime, so here we are. 9 00:00:54,560 --> 00:01:06,560 Talk Gruesome to me. Hello, welcome and we are on the second segment of the Herb Baumeister episodes 10 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:14,880 and this one is the paranormal episode. It might be short, Amy and I initially, when we first talked 11 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:21,280 about this, whenever six weeks ago or so, she said, "Oh, there was a ghost adventure's episode." 12 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:29,040 Great, we'll cover that on the paranormal one. Guess what? HBO Max took all the seasons down, 13 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:36,640 except the last two. So we couldn't watch it. I'm a little salty about it. One maybe because I used 14 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:44,720 to work there and now I don't, but also I feel like there's some hidden something behind it. Like, 15 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:50,800 someone's gonna try to make all the episodes only viewable if you have some kind of membership 16 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:55,840 or something. I don't know why I'm just making that up in my head, but I'm also just salty, so we'll see. 17 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:02,560 Surely not, maybe not. Yeah, watch any episodes. I know, I know, but hopefully maybe they're just 18 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:10,720 moving them in and out. Don't know? I don't either. They're just not there. And then there was another 19 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:16,080 YouTube episode that I have found initially back then like six weeks ago and I was like, "Oh, let's 20 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:24,480 watch this." But then I couldn't find that either. So we just found these two random investigation 21 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:32,640 teams and on YouTube and watched those. I don't know that we have a ton to say. Like I said, this might 22 00:02:32,640 --> 00:02:40,080 be a shorty. That's okay. We were talking earlier. We did pretty long one with Barbie, this last one. 23 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:45,600 And maybe the next one will be a little bit longer, who knows. But I mean, sometimes it just happens 24 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:54,640 that way. Yep. The two that we watched, the first one was called No Nonsense Paranormal. Again, 25 00:02:54,640 --> 00:03:04,960 this was on YouTube. And even putting in her Baumeister Paranormal, hardly anything comes up. It's a 26 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:11,920 little tricky if you're interested in Paranormal to even find anything. I do know, and we may have 27 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:18,800 talked about this on the last episode. I do know that the guy who lives there now has let some teams 28 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:25,280 in there. I mean, it's not like all the time. But he's done like documentaries and other things. So 29 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:33,280 he is open to it. But I don't know. There's just not a lot if you Google it or YouTube it. And you would 30 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:41,840 think if people were getting the opportunity to go, they would post it. So maybe it is just really those 31 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:47,520 few like we think. I mean, I would think they would post it something from it at least. 32 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:53,600 And there were a couple of videos that were short like three minutes just saying, oh, we went here 33 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:59,840 and we investigated. Nothing happened. Which I mean, we know we both know that happened. Exactly. 34 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:09,840 I mean, that happened. The first one we watched, No Nonsense Paranormal, they had some activity. They 35 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:21,040 are different than us. Yeah. They are. They are. That's I just not my style. I don't think I could 36 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:27,440 investigate with them with all due respect. We just have different techniques. Yeah. I listen, 37 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:32,800 I don't want to talk shit about people or they're a way of investigating because everyone does things 38 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:43,120 different. We don't provoke and we don't even bad quote unquote bad entities like serial killer entities. 39 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:52,000 Whatever you want to call it. We don't call them names and stuff like that. No, no. And I don't maybe 40 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:59,040 that's just how they investigate or maybe they've learned. I don't know either or but them. I'm 41 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:03,600 what you know, they can do what they want to do. Just personally, we don't provoke like that. 42 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,480 And these were both, you know what now I don't remember. I think they were both 43 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:15,520 six or seven years old. So maybe they've learned and changed their ways. Yeah. I'm yeah. I mean, 44 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:22,320 I don't know. No shame. But just not my my way of investigating. I'm just not comfortable with that. 45 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:29,280 I think anybody that listens to that knows or listens to us, excuse me, knows that that's not 46 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:38,080 something that I'm comfortable with or you. Correct. I don't I mean, there's no specifics that we really 47 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:47,520 I think anything that stood out or anything that I can think of that came through. I mean, 48 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:54,320 they got like K2 action and some other things. I don't know. There wasn't anything really 49 00:05:54,320 --> 00:06:00,320 uber compelling. I mean, sure, some of their equipment was going off though. 50 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:05,120 Well, was it a portal box of some sort that they had going? 51 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:09,920 They had quite a few different pieces. Yeah. And I mean, there was 52 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:16,880 intelligent enough communication that it's definitely worth looking at for sure. You know, but 53 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:25,440 it was a one horrible investigation. No. So if you're interested in fox hollow farm and paranormal, 54 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:32,160 sure, I mean, we're not saying don't watch it. It's just a different type of investigation than you 55 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:38,160 would see with us. And that's okay. Yeah. More we all do it differently. Yeah. I'm definitely not one 56 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:45,840 to hate on others because you know, there was a time where I was doing things that I realized now 57 00:06:45,840 --> 00:06:52,720 that maybe I shouldn't have said it that way or gone about a different way, but you learn and you grow 58 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:57,120 as you know, you become more confident in your ways and you learn and you grow. So 59 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:03,680 who's to say they haven't or I mean, maybe they're content than that's fine too, but agree. 60 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:11,840 The second one that we watched and both of these were about 50ish minutes. The second one was 61 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:21,840 Mishiana Paranormal Investigations. Yeah. Their investigation was pretty quiet, which honestly, 62 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:27,440 I feel like makes it more realistic. I mean, it just happens that way sometimes. 63 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:36,880 You might catch one or two things and then you might catch nothing, you know. Right. But the thing is, 64 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:45,600 people are used to the show. Right. And constant activity, but what they don't realize is they recorded 65 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:52,960 three, four, five, six, seven days. Right. Whenever there's a quiet investigation, I'm like, oh, so it's 66 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:59,920 real. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people, like you said, do not realize the time that the ones on 67 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:06,480 TV take in an actual location. They spend some time there. It's not just coming in for the 30 minute 68 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:13,680 episode and WAM, oh my goodness, you know, that was amazing. And then they leave. It's captured over 69 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:19,520 a pretty good time. And if you think about, like, say if a team's been there for two weeks, really, 70 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:26,240 that's not a lot that they've actually caught sometimes. You take what you get, you know. Yeah. 71 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:33,760 They even said at the end that it was pretty quiet. And there's nothing wrong with that. Sometimes it 72 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:41,120 happens that way. It's funny because it's more watching their episode kind of reminded me more 73 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:49,840 of watching a live on Facebook or TikTok. Agreed. Then a super edited piece, you know, that's 74 00:08:49,840 --> 00:09:00,160 over days or hours or whatever. Right. And I'm definitely not shaming that whatsoever if they 75 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:07,040 cut up some footage where they just continuously filmed or what have you because we don't edit our 76 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:13,920 videos either. So yeah, I get, yeah, I agree with you. I'm not, and that's, I think a good thing, 77 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:21,440 there's not a lot of editing in there. Who wants to watch someone investigate? And it's got really bad 78 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,920 the last few years, like you're, they're doing footsteps or lists or something here. 79 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:35,920 Now, how am I going to hear anything with your background noise? It's just a lot. Let's slow it down, 80 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:43,440 let's quiet down and let's listen. You know, you've noticed that too. So funny. And I don't, you know, 81 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:53,280 I don't mind lives, but if you're going to watch a live, you might see nothing because it's consistent 82 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:59,680 and it's not going to be cut up and edited. And that's just what you get when you're in the moment. 83 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:06,240 A lot of people, I think with our reels on the paranormal couple page on Facebook, they get really, 84 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:13,280 like they don't understand, like they think, okay, so this was it, like what did it end right here? 85 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:18,480 Well, no, this wasn't it. And there probably wasn't anything else to go with that. It was just like 86 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:24,960 a burst of good communication. So we pulled that because a lot of people do not want to watch the 87 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:30,320 full ones and you cut out the good parts and everybody's happy. You have your ones that like 88 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:36,240 the full live and you have your ones that just want the, they want the highlights. Definitely understood. 89 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:43,600 You can't please everybody. No, no, just try to do the best you can. You can't please them. Yeah. 90 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:51,680 You know that very well. Yeah, you just try, you just try to do the best you can. That's all you can do. 91 00:10:51,680 --> 00:11:00,400 Just be yourself really because I don't know if I necessarily completely really try to please 92 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:08,000 anybody on our page. You know what I'm saying? I just, I myself and we just post ourselves. 93 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:13,840 You know us, we're exactly the same way as we portray ourselves there. So yeah, just be yourself. 94 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:25,280 Right? I think well, people recognize that but with your page. But it also just listen. People think 95 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:33,040 and I'm not saying for everybody because some content creators are at a level where they have 96 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:43,520 people helping them. Yeah. People don't realize filming, editing, that is so time consuming, 97 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:50,160 especially editing. And I will give both of these teams credit their videos did look very well. 98 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,880 Yeah, but that a lot of you could tell they, but what I'm saying is like you could tell they 99 00:11:54,880 --> 00:12:01,520 didn't go in and throw in all the extra booming sound effects, but we just don't need. So yeah, 100 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:07,840 I didn't mind to watch theirs in that aspect at all. Yeah, and like I said, this was like six or seven 101 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:15,120 years ago. Things have definitely progressed and I mean, it looked like videos you'd see today too. 102 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:23,360 Yeah, yeah. I mean, they did fine job. Yeah. I don't know. I saw anything else to really say about 103 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:32,480 those actual videos. I guess just that they're out there and go check them out for yourself. 104 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:40,640 There was one part where I don't remember his name, but he was from a no nonsense paranormal correct. 105 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:51,520 Yes, no, no nonsense paranormal. He had kind of yelled out pretty vocally at her. And it wasn't too 106 00:12:51,520 --> 00:13:02,480 much longer through the portal box. You heard a big  F U C K Y O U come through. So I mean, it's worth going 107 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,880 back and watching just know that that little part does get a little bit vulgar. But I mean, 108 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:12,080 we was hearing some pretty good stuff, Shannon and I were when we were listening to some of the 109 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:19,520 responses. So it's like I said, it's worth looking into for sure when he called him out. I was like, 110 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:29,360 I was like, oh, you're in trouble. I think I take she was like, I cannot believe. You did. I was like, 111 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:36,720 I'd had been done right then. I couldn't carry on because you've done stepped over that threshold. 112 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:45,520 I would say, you know, her not it. I think I'll be leaving now and joy or night with everybody. 113 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:53,040 That was definitely not coming for me, my friend. I mean, I'm not here to judge what she did. 114 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:59,280 Even though I don't agree with it, I'm just here to have a conversation about your life and maybe 115 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:04,560 what happened. You know, let's talk. Let's not do that ugly vulgar stuff. Yeah, tell me that is 116 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:12,560 what must I. Well, and it's not that we're a serial killer sympathizer. No. It's just I picture it as 117 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:22,320 you being an impartial reporter, you know, where you're asking questions and trying to solve a puzzle 118 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:29,360 without being offensive. Yeah, and I mean, there's no sense in getting something 119 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:37,440 rolled up that doesn't need to be. There's just not. You can, when and especially in communication, 120 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:44,080 you can you can get to a lot more bees with honey. Just go in and be respectful and do your thing. 121 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:49,120 Because for one, who knows who that was that was communicating back and forth. 122 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:59,200 Was it herb? Maybe. Was it something darker? Maybe. You just don't know what you're challenging. 123 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:08,400 So that makes me wonder and just now with what you said, it made me think what if he, 124 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:15,440 herb balmyster, was influenced to be a serial killer by something dark on the land and these guys 125 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:21,120 are coming in and that's who they're actually communicating with and then they're riling it up and 126 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:27,760 being offensive. Good luck with that. Conversation has already been had an or live in room about 127 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:33,440 possibly there being something dark on that land. You just, I mean, there's all kinds of possibility. 128 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:41,360 Good luck with that. I would have I would have done the same and been like, okay, I think I'm done or 129 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:47,440 at the bare minimum, I would have gone to a different place in the house by myself. I don't know. You 130 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:54,400 know, I definitely do not want to start off anything negative or disrespectful. No. No. That's just 131 00:15:54,400 --> 00:16:03,680 me personally. I mean, same. But they did have some activity. So if you're into that, watch it. 132 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:10,640 Again, the Michiana paranormal investigators didn't really get much. I mean, you can so watch it, 133 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:16,480 obviously it's just no ahead of time. Not a lot happened. Right. Just like a normal like if you're 134 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:22,880 going on Facebook and watching a live or whatever, it's going to be kind of set up like that. Yep. I 135 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:30,800 don't know. I mean, I guess that's it. I don't really have anything else specific about those episodes 136 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:36,720 to say. No, not really. Just go check them out for yourself. And then my attention was kept. I will 137 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:45,680 say that. We've said it on the here before. Amy and I always want this podcast to be about victims. 138 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:53,440 And we always want to highlight them when we can. And since we knew that this episode was going to 139 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:59,920 be a little bit short because of the content, we were like, well, or actually Amy was like, well, 140 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:07,520 let's highlight some of the victims, which I thought was an amazing idea. So we are going to take some 141 00:17:07,520 --> 00:17:15,440 time today on this episode and do that. Yeah, I was just thinking because one thing that often gets 142 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:23,280 lost in serial killer cases, that is the victims themselves. We know her about myster's name and we 143 00:17:23,280 --> 00:17:30,320 know the Fox Hollow farm name. We know the headlines. We've heard it all. But the men whose lives were 144 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:36,800 taken deserve to be remembered because the way they died, it was just horrible. So they deserved 145 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:44,160 to be remembered for who they were. And that's especially true in this case because many of the 146 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:51,680 victims, they weren't identified at all. And their families have spent years wondering where they 147 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:59,920 went, what happened to them? Are they going to come home for decades, investigators worked to 148 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:11,120 identify the remains of the ones that were found at Fox Hollow. And thanks to current DNA. So back 149 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:17,520 then it wasn't as easy, but you know, they've been working now with current DNA technology. Some of 150 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:24,000 them finally got their names out there. And that's amazing. One of those men was Alan is 151 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:31,520 Bershard. Bershard. Bershard. Bershard. Bershard. You know, I already know. Well, Alan, he was just 152 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:39,600 28 years old when he disappeared in Indianapolis. And that was in 1991. His family searched for answers 153 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:48,160 for more than 30 years. That is such a long time. Think about that. 30 years of not knowing where your 154 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:55,520 loved one was three decades of birthdays, holidays, and family gatherings without knowing what happened 155 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:03,200 to the one that you love. Now in 2022, DNA testing finally confirmed that Alan's remains had been 156 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:11,120 among those found at Fox Hollow Farm. His sister later said that even though the answer was painful, 157 00:19:11,120 --> 00:19:18,400 finally knowing the truth allowed their family to stop living in uncertainty. And then another victim 158 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:27,760 identified through more current DNA was Manuel Resendas. Now Manuel disappeared in the early 90s. 159 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:35,760 And like many of Balmyster's victims, he was a young man. He had people that cared about him. 160 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:45,280 Those people never stopped wondering where he had gone years past, then decades past. And eventually, 161 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:52,960 the investigators were able to connect his remains to his family through forensic genealogy. 162 00:19:53,680 --> 00:20:02,720 And that could be something like 23 and me. Yeah, it's impossible though to imagine. And we've talked about 163 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:08,320 this before. How crazy that must be after all those years to get that phone call. 164 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:16,240 Like she said, painful, but you know how much relief was there that now you finally know? 165 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:22,880 Yeah, I've never experienced it, but I can say that because now like she said, you don't have to worry 166 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:31,520 anymore. So I get that bless bless when it's awful. But there was also Stephen Hill. Now Stephen, he was 167 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:42,160 26 years old and friends described him as outgoing and kind. And sadly, he vanished in Indianapolis in 1993. 168 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:50,880 For years, there were no answers, no closure, nothing. Today investigators believe he was one of the 169 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:56,720 men who crossed paths with her biome master, bygones say it right, and never made it home. 170 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:05,760 That's another tragedy of this case or part of this whole case. These aren't statistics, you know, 171 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:13,040 they're not missing persons flyers. These were people's sons and brothers and friends and co-workers and 172 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:25,280 people who had favorite songs, favorite movies, plans for the future. And they were, they were there 173 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:32,320 in a DNA in a vowel. Just waiting to be matched up. How sad is that? Many of the victims were targeted 174 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:43,840 because they were vulnerable and many were members of the G LGBTQ LGBTQ LGBTQ LGBTQ LGBTQ community. 175 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:49,840 No, because I'm probably going to do it again. I just have trouble with that. But at the time when 176 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:56,960 missing persons cases, they were involving gay men, often those received far less attention than 177 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:04,720 what they deserve. But that's the uncomfortable truth about this case. Had those disappearances taken 178 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:14,240 place now and more seriously like they are, they, I don't know, I just feel like it would have been 179 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:21,600 such a better outcome. Because now we look at, we have a better acceptance. If we had that then, 180 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:27,120 can you imagine how quicker this would have maybe been looked into properly? 181 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:36,960 Fully agree that part of this was because they were all men. Yeah, because they were gay men 182 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:43,360 in that community. And it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's people, it's people love them. They 183 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:50,800 have friends, relatives. It's, it's, I'm so glad that we have at least come forward in that, in that 184 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:56,880 sum. I mean, I know it's still not perfect, but we have taken a little better stance about it. 185 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:04,640 And even now, the investigators are still working to identify additional victims that were found 186 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:11,600 at Fox Hollow Farm. There's still families out there that don't know what happened to their loved 187 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:19,600 ones because not all of them have been found or identified. So they're still waiting on those names. 188 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:26,560 Yes, sadly. So while her bomb-myster's crimes are horrifying, we think it's important to end this 189 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:35,040 segment by remembering a few of the people who lost everything. Alan Bousard, Steven Hale, 190 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:43,600 Manuel Rosendez, and then obviously, like we just said, there's a ton of names that haven't been 191 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:51,760 identified yet. bodies that haven't been identified. They haven't matched DNA yet, but we just thought 192 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:58,240 that these guys deserve to kind of be recognized here. And again, this was only three of many. 193 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:04,960 Right. Absolutely. And I feel like that list could go on a lot further. Oh, for sure. 194 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:15,040 There's just so many things. So many what ifs. What if the disappearances were taken a little more 195 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:20,960 seriously? What if and what was it? 94? His wife had let them on to the property. 196 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:30,400 Yeah, it's enough to just make you upset. I mean, like I said, I know we've got a little bit better, 197 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:37,840 but we still have a long way to come. Agreed. I don't know. I... there are definitely... 198 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:47,440 hopefully things that they've learned as ways to maybe get people to talk or allow them to search 199 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:54,560 the property or whatever, but also that property is so big. I feel like it's really hard to search 200 00:24:54,560 --> 00:25:00,880 the entire property, but there's got to be other people. Oh my gosh, you would have to do what could 201 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:09,440 be the daver dogs. What is the where you run over looking for the graves? You the little machine 202 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:16,080 that runs over and maps them out. So I mean, there's things you could do, but yeah, you're right. I don't 203 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:23,120 know. I just realized this is so off topic. I just realized I forgot to turn my turquoise lights on 204 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,520 for the first time, but that's okay. It looks fun. You know what? I didn't even notice. 205 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:33,200 Harbass. Yeah, I mean, we've phlobbed a few names today, but we're human, so we're sorry. We don't 206 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:41,680 mean anything, but I do that anyways, but it is what it is. We're sorry. Sorry. You just, I mean, you know, 207 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:48,800 you know how we are. And honestly, even if we do, like we try to cut a lot of that stuff out, but I 208 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:59,280 mean, that's not real life because I phlob all the time. Say, yeah, that's part of it. But no, 209 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:08,080 we're just, we're just here. But my heart, it goes out to the victims, their families. And I mean, 210 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:16,400 I'm sure it's even possible that there could be a couple of victims that nobody even has a 211 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:24,560 clue they're missing. I wouldn't be surprised. If you think about that community, the LGBTQ community 212 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:33,840 back in the early 90s, I feel like, maybe I'm off base, but I feel like it was a community where, 213 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:42,160 if someone went missing, they just didn't. I mean, not their family. The authorities just didn't 214 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:53,200 care or just kind of focused on other things, I guess. I mean, same with women, sex work in women. 215 00:26:53,200 --> 00:27:03,120 Yeah. Same category. Yeah. I mean, people of color, like all of that. Same thing. Yes. And I'm, I'm 216 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:08,880 glad we're doing better now. I don't care what you do with your body, what you do for work. I don't 217 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:14,960 care who you love. Everybody deserves to be protected and taking care of and looked for. 218 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,560 And that was part of when we started this podcast, something that Amy and I talked about. And we 219 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:29,280 wanted to make sure that we focused on community is that maybe we're overlooked or are still overlooked 220 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:35,760 or. And then here we are also in Pride Month. Oh yeah. So happy Pride Month. We support you. We love 221 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:44,960 you and we're here for you. Yay. Woo. All right. Well, how'd we do on time? We actually did almost the whole, 222 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:52,720 we only have seven minutes left. So somehow this episode will be like 25, 30 minutes somehow. Wow. Okay. 223 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:59,200 I know. But we do have to take out where I don't know what happened in it frozen. I was just sitting 224 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:05,120 here like, what is going on? Because that was I moving on your side. No, you were totally frozen. 225 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:09,360 I was moving on my saboteur to sit in there like this. I was like something. Yeah. What's wrong? 226 00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:18,160 Yeah. Let me that took up a good five minutes. It's okay. And we are still going good. Good. Good. Well, 227 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:27,360 I don't yet know what our next two weeks from now are next many. So does going to be. So can't really 228 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:36,640 promote it. But what we can promote is follow us on social. Talk to them to me. We're on everything. 229 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:44,080 TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Amy, the paranormal couple there on Facebook, Instagram. A lot of good 230 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:51,760 stuff coming up to. Yeah. Yeah. She's always going to like different parts of Kentucky and Tennessee. 231 00:28:51,760 --> 00:29:01,200 And she's got some things lined up, especially in August in like a couple of months. She and Shannon 232 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:07,760 are going to Kentucky to do Goblin Con which will be so. Yes. That's going to be a blast. Got a lot 233 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:13,840 going on. Busy busy lives, lot going on. Paranormal pup here. He's sitting with us right now. If you're 234 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:20,320 watching, he's got a lot of traveling to do. A lot of traveling loves it. He does. He loves traveling. 235 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:28,240 Jake, the paranormal pup. He even has his own merch. Hey, does he? You go to talkruesimtime.com 236 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:36,480 and down at the bottom, it will give you the link to shop our merch. It's a little bit hard to find 237 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:43,760 admittedly. But that was how the free website is set up. You get what you pay for. Yeah, right. Exactly. 238 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:50,960 But we do have a store. We have talkruesimtime merch. There's a few paranormal couple things 239 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:56,320 and then there are three new designs for Jake, the paranormal pup and they're so cute. 240 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:03,920 He's adorable. I know. One of the vents we walked in and I was wearing the shirt and then two 241 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:10,160 of Jake's best friends were wearing the same shirt. So yeah, we all showed up in a little paranormal pup 242 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:19,600 gear. So cute. But thanks for listening. Again, follow us everywhere and we will meet back here in two 243 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,600 weeks. See you then. Bye. 244 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:34,640 Thanks for making it to the end and hanging out with us. Keep on the lookout for our next episode 245 00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:42,160 and stay gruesome.