1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,680 [Music] 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:19,680 Hello and welcome to our podcast Talk Gruesome to Me, where we talk about movies and shows that cover true crime, paranormal and horror. 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:27,920 I am one of your hosts, Dawn. I am currently located in Los Angeles and I think I'm pretty well versed in the horror genre, 4 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:35,360 especially those 80s classics. A quick fun fact about me? I have a very extensive crystal collection. 5 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:43,920 Hello, I'm Amy. I'm from Kentucky and my area of expertise for this podcast is paranormal. A few fun facts about me. 6 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:50,240 I'm an empath, I collect old dolls and you know, I've never flown on an airplane. Can you believe that? 7 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:57,840 Now Dawn and I are also obsessed with true crime, so here we are. Talk Gruesome to me. 8 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:05,920 It's almost 30 years. When it still hurts to this day. I just want to find a why. 9 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:14,640 What goes on in somebody's head that can be read is horrific. I do believe in evil. I see it. 10 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,240 That's all for me. 11 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,920 In the United West Police confirmed today that they approached the owner of the Fox Hollow Farm. 12 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:24,320 He may have been in the company, one of the missing people were investigating, 13 00:01:24,320 --> 00:01:28,640 where we're going to assumption three bodies, maybe more. It was just bones everywhere. 14 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,640 And it is drawn interest from police agencies across the state in the country. 15 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:42,720 This killer is not listed among the most prolific serial killers. Yet Fox Hollow is like Gacy's basement. 16 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:51,520 He's the Dumber. You've never heard of. You didn't get the attention of Gacy or Jeffrey Dahmer 17 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:57,120 because we were never able to walk him into a courtroom. He did have a double life. 18 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,520 I can't do a word about that. 19 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,760 How do you know about that? 20 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:06,800 There are other mannequins. It was just surreal. It was something about movies. 21 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:12,640 He held plenty back. There's so much of this stuff that I'm hearing for the first time. 22 00:02:12,640 --> 00:02:17,440 Does he tell him the truth? That that shit really happened? 23 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,040 There had to have been red flags. 24 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:20,800 Did he really do all that? 25 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,880 The fuck? 26 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,040 I just someone liked that get away with things for so long. 27 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:36,640 The fact that the killings involved homosexual men made police uncomfortable and it made the 28 00:02:36,640 --> 00:02:37,840 community uncomfortable. 29 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:43,840 The attitude of the police officers was that if you were gay, then you probably deserved whatever you got. 30 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:44,880 It's a simple thing. 31 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:55,360 Hello. We are here for the third and final episode of the Herb-Balmyster trio. 32 00:02:55,360 --> 00:03:02,480 And most of you know that we typically do true crime paranormal horror. 33 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:11,440 But we're kind of double-upping on true crime for this one just because well for a couple of reasons. 34 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:18,240 We couldn't really watch anything horror. There was one movie that was sort of loosely based. 35 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:28,720 But we couldn't watch it. And two, we the paranormal episode was we didn't have a lot to watch. 36 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:33,280 So that episode wasn't the greatest just because we didn't have much to work with. 37 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:42,080 And then the first episode, the true crime episode, we had actually referenced the what you just heard. 38 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:48,480 And so we wanted to cover that because it was a bigger, it's for episodes. 39 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,360 It's called The Fox Hollow Murderers on Hulu. 40 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:57,760 So because we had talked about it before, we were like, well, I don't know, let's cover that. 41 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:05,520 But so let's just do kind of a little recap of this story in case someone's jumping in and they 42 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:15,600 don't really know a lot about Herb-Balmyster or the story. But so in 1996, they found close to 10,000 43 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:23,600 human bones and bone fragments. They found them in the woods behind Herb Baumeister's home. 44 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,480 It was called Fox Hollow Farm. And this was outside of Indianapolis. 45 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:37,440 We have to talk about this guy that is questionable. Mark Goodyer was kind of, 46 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:44,320 he's like the lead person involved in this case that's still alive. And he was actually the one who 47 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:53,040 led police to Fox Hollow Farm. And then Baumeister went to Canada and he committed suicide. 48 00:04:53,040 --> 00:05:00,400 So there's not a lot of information. He didn't even note that referenced why he did it. He didn't 49 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:07,520 admit to any of these crimes. He didn't say anything really other than like his marriage wasn't 50 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:16,080 doing well. But in this four part series, The Fox Hollow Murderers, they interview people from 51 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:22,800 the victims' families, which is great. You know, Amy and I are always about that. There's a coroner, 52 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:30,960 there's a detective, the new owner of Fox Hollow Farm, and then Mark Goodyear is involved as well. 53 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:39,120 And I think they said, I watched this last week. So I'm slightly fuzzy, but I believe that they said 54 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:45,600 this was one of the only interviews that Mark ever did. I haven't seen anything else with him. 55 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:54,880 He's popping up everywhere with these though. He just knows so much. He does. 56 00:05:54,880 --> 00:06:02,000 He's got all kinds of questions going through my head. Yeah. And we did talk about him in 57 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:10,720 the first episode, the true crime episode. Yes. He, there was so much in these four episodes, 58 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:15,680 obviously, because they're all an hour long. So it's just a lot more content. But 59 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:25,200 God, at the end, I still was so focused on him. And also, he would make little comments, 60 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:33,840 little snide comments, to make you believe there's a little more to the story that he more than 61 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:40,720 likely knew, but wasn't going to let out. I just, I picked that up a lot with him. I feel like he 62 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:49,600 knows way more than what he's going to tell. And it come through with this four part series on Hulu 63 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:58,560 that it's even possible, some believe that her isn't the one who shot himself. Oh, yeah. 64 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:06,000 I found that interesting too. Well, who would, who shot him? I think when they interviewed Mark, 65 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:15,440 he had said that he had seen a bunch of VHS tapes and then Mark's, or I mean, in Herb Baumeister's car, 66 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:23,120 the police or maybe I'm thinking it was the police. The police definitely saw that. The police 67 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:29,440 saw them when he was sleeping in the car and they come up and knocked on the way. Yes. Yes. But by the time 68 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:37,280 her was found and he had already committed suicide, those VHS tapes were gone. Where the fuck? Where? 69 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:46,560 How? How are the tapes just gone forever? I don't know. Could he have disposed of them and then 70 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:56,720 committed suicide or could someone have came in, taken the tapes, maybe someone who was on the tapes 71 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:05,920 alongside her and staged a suicide? I wish that they would have covered and said because I'm just 72 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:14,880 curious, did Mark Goodyear have a record, a flight record? Yeah. Mark Goodyear. I don't know what I'm saying, 73 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:22,880 but did he have a record of flying to Canada during that time? Good question. Yeah. That would have been 74 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:32,080 a good thing for them to look into. Agree. Agree. Because he had some little smirky comments back and 75 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:40,960 forth when they were mentioned in maybe Herb did not do this to himself. He had that look a lot. 76 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:50,480 And then also, I mean, no, you wouldn't want to shout it to them. I don't think most people would, 77 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:55,520 if they committed the crimes that he committed, would want to shout it to the rooftop that that's 78 00:08:55,520 --> 00:09:02,560 what they did. But if you're planning on committing suicide, wouldn't you think in that letter that 79 00:09:02,560 --> 00:09:09,200 you're going to write to you would mention more than your marriage or failing business? Agree. 80 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:15,840 That's weird to me too. What's the harm in it? You're, yeah, you're, you're going to be gone. Yeah. You're done. 81 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:24,080 So why not go ahead and just admit it to know they know who else has been in your backyard dragon 82 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:32,400 bodies through there? Give the family's closure. Yes. That's all I want to talk, but instead, we now have 83 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:37,680 her who is not with us anymore, whether it's by his home hand or someone else's, 84 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:44,880 and all of those secrets are, I guess, in the head of maybe someone else and then he'll 85 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:53,040 mark nose. He's not, I'm perhaps not talking though. I am convinced he knows everything. 86 00:09:53,040 --> 00:10:02,160 Convince. I wouldn't say that I could disagree with you. I wonder from both a cop perspective, 87 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:09,280 but also producing this documentary. I wonder from that perspective, how interviewing someone like Mark, 88 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:17,760 like, is that exciting and interesting to them that he's so difficult to interview and so 89 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:24,720 weird or is it challenging? I don't know. Maybe it's a combo. If it was me, I would think it'd be 90 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:30,880 frustrating because you have to, which they're good at this anyways, but he seems like the kind of 91 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:36,560 person if you're interviewing him, you are going to have to pay close attention to his movements, 92 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:45,760 his face, everything about him, his gestures, just everything. He seems like the type of person that, 93 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:51,760 if you're just listening to his words, you're not going to hear anything. But if you pay attention 94 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:58,400 to his mannerisms and watch him as he's speaking, maybe you might be able to tell when he knows more 95 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:04,560 than what he's saying or is just straight out line. He seems like that type of person to me. 96 00:11:04,560 --> 00:11:13,360 It's almost like, I know what you need to know, but I'm not going to tell you. Almost like dangling it 97 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:19,200 over heads or something. I don't know. Do you think I'm reaching with that? No, not at all. 98 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:25,440 Okay, okay. And then for any of you that are listening, not sure who Mark Goodyear is, 99 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:30,320 that is the one that claimed that he had the two-year relationship with Herb Baumeister. 100 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:39,040 But he didn't say that initially. No, he did not. He said that come back, was it years or, I don't 101 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:44,240 have several interviews later when he had spoke to the police that they had had the relationship. So, 102 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:50,240 at first it was, he was an innocent, escaped victim and he was lucky to be alive, 103 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:57,040 but then he turns around and the same breath and says, "Wait, no, I didn't get attacked. I just didn't 104 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:04,080 want him to hurt people." So, what do you believe? I don't know, I wish that they had had one of those 105 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:09,200 people that interpret body language. Like, I know that there are things they look for 106 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:14,240 the way that someone shifts their eyes to the right or the left means they're lying or something 107 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:21,280 like that. Anyways, I wish the documentary would have had someone analyze his body behavior and his 108 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:28,080 interview. He is that type of person that I'm, he's not just your normal do. He's wanting to tell you 109 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:34,880 everything you want to know, but you've got to pay real close attention, I think. He's, I just, like, 110 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:44,160 when he first came on screen, I was already just his demeanor. And the way that he speaks to people 111 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:54,320 is so, it's just offensive. I don't know, he's just snarky and just everything about him I don't love. 112 00:12:54,320 --> 00:13:03,360 I can't say I'm in love with it either and like, I feel like he knows some answers that could really 113 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:11,680 bring this case to a close. Okay, I'm just gonna say it. Go ahead. And then you can tell me your opinion. 114 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:20,480 Okay. I think he was involved and I think he helped in these murders and I think he helped with the 115 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:28,480 bodies and all of it. Like, I think he's just as involved as her about my star was. 116 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:36,240 Well, I am gonna say this in the first episode I was confused for a minute and I didn't realize 117 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:44,400 that Mark Good here was the one that got away. I thought we saw him better than other individual here. 118 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:53,760 So, I'm going to say after I have, you know, watched some more things and realized what I'm actually 119 00:13:53,760 --> 00:14:01,360 saying here because I just misunderstood that I believe you are 100% correct. I think you're on 120 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:10,080 to something there, my friend. Stories changed. Yep. That's the first red flag. The way that he 121 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:17,040 dances around questions and kind of never really answers that. Well, somebody just blets as he won't. 122 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:29,920 So, yeah, you're right. That's a red flag. Very much so. The things that he pointed out for instance, 123 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:37,680 he said, this is where the body burn pile was. How would he know that? How do you know? Yeah. How would 124 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:47,680 you know? So, you were there, you're saying? And Herb had a body back there burning it. So, okay, 125 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:55,280 you knew then. Yeah, exactly. That's just even if you didn't even if you didn't participate, 126 00:14:55,280 --> 00:15:02,720 when you have gone to the cops then. I'd like to think so. Exactly. I never been to anyone's house and 127 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:09,280 seen something like that. I don't believe that's normal whatsoever. So, yes, I would like to believe 128 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:15,360 I would tell somebody. Right. Yeah, call the cops. There's a body burning. Yeah, call the cops. 129 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:22,640 They're like, hey, yo, don't. Why is there a body burning in your backyard? And they're like, well, 130 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:29,840 you still had a milk. I'm a run store real quick. Yeah. There were some theories online too that were 131 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:36,640 interesting where people were saying that they thought it was a possibility that the whole thing 132 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:46,400 was a police cover up and they were using the gay bars as a way to funnel money and 133 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:52,720 they knew about all of this happening and Mark was involved and Herb Baumeister was involved. Like, 134 00:15:52,720 --> 00:16:05,760 it was a whole thing, which sure, I mean, I do think it's odd that they didn't do more 135 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:13,840 when people started disappearing. Now, again, this was the 90s. It was a different time. They didn't 136 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:25,120 care about LGBTQ individuals. So, right. That does play into it. But I don't think it's, I don't think 137 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:34,960 that theory is unheard of. No, I don't either. No, not at all. Not every cop's a good cop. 138 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:41,680 And it went on so long. Yeah. I don't know. It's possible. I just read 139 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:50,800 online some theories about it and I was like, oh, actually, I could see that. Could they have pushed 140 00:16:50,800 --> 00:17:00,800 harder to get the warrant in the first place? Maybe. Yeah. I don't know. And there were times when I 141 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:08,320 feel like it just was like, whatever. Again, was that because these were gay men or was that because 142 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:17,840 the cops were involved? I don't know. I don't know either way. Shady. Totally. Shady, shady, shady. And 143 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:24,480 you know what? It breaks my heart for the families. Yeah. And regardless, Mark was up in there. 144 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:32,320 Either way. He knows too much. And then you also have people throwing his name up as well. 145 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:42,800 Yeah. Was people throwing your name in it too? I don't know. I think that if I wasn't involved, 146 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:48,880 didn't want anything to do with it. And whatever if I'd been his boyfriend or girlfriend for a 147 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,480 period of years, I just wouldn't say anything if I didn't have any information on it. 148 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:58,320 If you have nothing to help, I just wouldn't have come out. He just seems like he just wants attention. 149 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:06,080 Yes. Yeah. I'm glad. So one of our listeners requested this series, 150 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:12,800 Amy knew about the story. Somehow, I didn't know about this story at all, which is very odd, 151 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:20,640 especially since I grew up in Ohio. I mean, actually, I take that back in the 90, where was I? 152 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:28,240 And oh, no. Was I in California? I think I might have been in Minnesota, but that's close to 153 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,480 Indiana. Like you would have thought that I had heard about this story at some point. Never. 154 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:38,800 On the news, yeah. Yeah. So I'm glad that this was suggested because it was definitely 155 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:46,160 eye opening. I mean, like you heard in that clip, it's true. You hear so much about Gacy, 156 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:52,320 Dahmer, all those guys, Richard Ramirez. Never hear about this. And this was a lot of people. 157 00:18:53,680 --> 00:19:04,720 A lot of people. And it's even like you can do John Gacy. You know, he looks creepy when you show 158 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:12,160 his photos or whatever, just the clown. You know, all that's creepy. But you show Herb Baumeister. 159 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:20,880 How real creepy is he? He looks like a lawyer or something. Your average nerdy guy who likes to go 160 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:28,880 home and play chess or something. I don't know. Bake cookies. Maybe. He looks like that. And then he'd go 161 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:33,600 throw the kids up in the air a few times and they'd giggle and he kisses wife. That's what he looks like. 162 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:41,680 So he just really throws you off. So I don't know if maybe his case wasn't appealing. Also, 163 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:47,120 we should just mention his wife because we did talk about her in a previous episode a little. 164 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:58,880 She was on here as well. In depth. But so his wife, I have beef with because at some point his 165 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:06,560 child found a bone and his wife, she did talk to the police, but she denied them access to the 166 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:15,200 property to search for any bones or to figure out where that came from. And so I feel like she 167 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:23,600 probably caused a bunch of murders by not allowing the police to come on the property and catch her 168 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:30,320 earlier. Absolutely. She did. That would have been two years worth of murders that wouldn't have 169 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:36,960 happened if she'd just let them onto that property. Yeah. It had been done. Then he wouldn't have 170 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:42,720 committed suicide. So who knows. I mean, that doesn't mean he ever would have confessed. But maybe 171 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,360 we could have gotten some closure for the families. I mean, you would have had enough to put him in there. 172 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:52,640 Yeah. Who else are you going to prove? Like I said, who was dragging bodies around your yard? 173 00:20:52,640 --> 00:21:03,040 But then that leads me back to the theory of the police cover-up. I mean, if Herb Baumeister was 174 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:08,400 involved in the cover-up, maybe as a wife too. I don't know. I mean, that's super far-fetched. But 175 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:13,360 it is weird. She wouldn't let them on the property. And I mean, you want to talk about protecting your 176 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:18,400 children when you step into something that day, if your children were going to get hurt regardless. 177 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:23,680 Totally. Yeah. And you didn't do it. You had no control over it, but your husband did. And 178 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:28,480 whatever he's done, it needs to be meant right. So let them on there, let them find the people, 179 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:33,600 and there could have been how many was it that was killed in that two-year period? A lot. 180 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:41,280 I don't remember the number. I don't remember the number either, but one was too many. One even could have been 181 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,760 stopped from happening. That's a lot. So- 182 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:46,560 I agree. 183 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:52,160 Yeah, I agree with you. That just her actions are kind of like, what the hell? 184 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:59,120 We're just putting it all out there today. Yeah. Like, I don't understand what you were thinking at 185 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:04,480 that point. You could have stopped that. You could have brought peace to so many families. And back 186 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:10,160 then, with the momentum so high when they were going to dig, who's to not say they wouldn't have 187 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:15,360 went ahead and went through the rest of those woods? Because they were headstrong at it at that 188 00:22:15,360 --> 00:22:24,400 moment. We all know it's true. You let a case go for a very long period of a time. And the determination 189 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:32,320 and the willpower to get it solved, it just kind of, it delinquishes. And the drive, I feel like 190 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:40,320 in serial killers, heightens, it gets more and more every time they kill. Well, of course, 191 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,600 you can't tell me he didn't know that his wife had just told them, no, you can't go look on that 192 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:58,240 property. So he's like, bet. Let me get going. Exactly. You can't tell me that every decision that she made 193 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:06,880 that day when they asked her led to more death. And ultimately his suicide. He might have been able to 194 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:14,720 got be captured and arrested in a little bit of a peaceful, more peaceful manner so they could have 195 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:22,080 taken him in. If she would have just let them have access. Yeah. Or how about let's just back it up 196 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:28,960 and when your son found a skeleton, you called in. Yeah. Well, you want to get real wild and crazy 197 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:37,920 with it. Like, why didn't you go in? Well, and the fact that they find human bones and he tells them, 198 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:45,360 oh, it was a medical skeleton. And they're just like, oh, okay, have a nice day. He would have been better 199 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:54,960 off saying, oh, my goodness, I don't know. Call the police. A dog drug it in anything. Well, they might 200 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:59,680 have just come out there and got it and letting be on his merry way. But no, instead they just 201 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:07,680 go and I just break my heart. It breaks my heart for the families. And especially the ones who are still 202 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:16,080 missing and wondering if their loved ones out there in his woods. Those woods, I guarantee you 203 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:24,480 so many bodies in them still. Oh, I know. I guarantee it as well. And I also vibe with the idea that he 204 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:30,080 was doing this before he got the property and just made it easier for him on this property because 205 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:37,760 you had automatic disposal. And they did have at one point they had a dog or two dogs in the 206 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:46,640 documentary and one of them sat to say bones or body or whatever they lay down for. 207 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:51,920 You know, yeah, those dogs. That was cool that they did that. And they found fragments. They're 208 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,720 what they believed. I don't want to say they found. Sorry, let me back that up. They found what they 209 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:01,520 believed were fragments and we're going to have them send off to have them tested. So I mean, 210 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:07,520 that right there was kind of interesting. That tells you they're still in the least. I believe there's 211 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:13,680 bigger parts of people. But in the least, there's still small pieces of individuals out there. 212 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,240 So we've got a lot more or I don't have. I don't know why I say that. I guess because I'm so passionate 213 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:25,120 about like helping these families, there's just a lot more than he's become through there. 214 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:33,520 Yeah, I don't know how you tackle five acres, but I feel like because a lot of volunteers. 215 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:41,040 Yeah, I guess, but I just feel like because the police didn't act soon enough and this went on 216 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:46,720 longer than it needed to and there were people murdered that could have been stopped earlier. 217 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,720 I feel like they should focus more on that property and finding those bones. 218 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:57,280 I think they should too. I think I mean, like I just said, have volunteers come out. You know, 219 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:04,000 there's a lot of people who might just want to use this as an exercise for their dog. Their dog hasn't 220 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,480 been out there. That's what they're trying to do and they haven't been out on a run in a while. 221 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:14,080 Let them come and exercise their nose. Anything. Let's walk with radars. Whatever you need, 222 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,720 just bring what you have and just go look at that property. You could sit off a couple of weeks 223 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:24,080 of different people just coming, you know. And a lot of people would come out of the goodness of their 224 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:31,760 heart. The guy living there seems super open to it too. Yeah. He is friends with Mark though. 225 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:38,240 He's a different character himself. Totally. He acts like he knows a lot more about the case 226 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:44,960 than you think he would. Well, he said it gets it from Mark though, I guess. Yeah, I mean, 227 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:52,320 he claims that they didn't know about any of this before they bought the property, which I guess, 228 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:58,560 okay. I mean, I didn't know about it either. Like, I guess that's possible. It seems weird, 229 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:03,520 but it's possible. I'm not going to say he's not being truthful because I don't know. 230 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:09,440 I don't know if he's friends with Mark because he really believes Mark didn't have anything to do with it. 231 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:15,200 Or if he's friends with Mark just stay on his good side, I don't know. Or what if he was friends with 232 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:23,280 him all? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe he's involved in the police cover up too. I don't know. I doubt it. 233 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:28,880 I'm just joking. I don't know. He just was something's off. Something's all cities involved. 234 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:35,680 Everything's off about this. It's all off. It's off. And I'm not making any accusations. It's just 235 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:41,440 freaking off. I don't know what to think about these individuals. The owner, Mark, any of them, and 236 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:48,880 I don't know. I don't know what to say about them. It's something's not adding up. Even to this day, 237 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:56,400 we're in 2026 and stuff does not add up. I do like, obviously, if you listen to us regularly, 238 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:03,600 you know that Amy and I are very victim focused. We always try to highlight in the last episode, 239 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:10,320 we actually talked about a few of the victims and some information about them. They definitely, 240 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:17,040 I feel like did a good job of interviewing family members and making sure that it was about them. 241 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:26,640 Yes, they did a very good job and that's one thing I really did like about these Hulu episodes. 242 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:34,080 They were, and they were also easy to watch. Yeah, so you didn't miss the important stuff. I like 243 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:39,840 that as well. But yeah, I like how they focused on the victims as well because that's who this is 244 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:47,760 about. I mean, if we're just going to look at Herb, okay, fuck him. He's dead. Yeah, that guy, I'm out. 245 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,560 Okay, I mean, I know I don't say that word a lot, but I mean it's pretty appropriate. 246 00:28:52,560 --> 00:29:00,400 Oh, yeah, he's dead. It's done. But you have these families. You have these victims and 247 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:07,200 that's not done. That's not going to be done until you bring them all home. That's the part that 248 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:15,200 bothers me about this case. Yeah, why are we just leaving? You can't tell me there isn't a person 249 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:23,840 who doesn't think there are bodies still out there. Right. You can't tell me that there is not a person 250 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:33,040 who does not know, still love. I don't believe that he took this completely all the way to his grave. 251 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:39,280 Now there might be this person that doesn't know every detail, but I think they sure do know enough. 252 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:49,040 It's all full big crime for a herb. Yeah, that's the other thing. Just the whole like one person 253 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:57,280 taking these bodies out deep into the woods and bear it just seems so far fetched. I mean, I guess, but 254 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:05,360 well, we're not talking about the victim was a little frail elderly man or a smaller boy. 255 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:16,640 These were athletic muscular, a lot of them in good shape, man. So what happened? 256 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:25,280 Little business man Herb do to them, to where they couldn't do anything. That's a lot of men. 257 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:32,560 There's, I mean, and there could be more he did that we just don't know because we don't know a lot, 258 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:40,480 but I don't know. It just seems it seems like there's there has to be someone else that knows. 259 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:47,760 I'm sad we're never going to know. Yeah, all you can just do is hope and pray that 260 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:54,320 they find more and are able to identify them. Yeah, we only have seven minutes left to 261 00:30:54,320 --> 00:31:03,840 boo. So let's do ratings. Do you want to rate the doc and then do your ADHD rating? Yeah, I'm go watch it. 262 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:10,880 I was very satisfied with all the information. It was easy to watch. It was very well put together. 263 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:16,640 It didn't jump to where it confused you. I will give it a, let's give it a nine. I was very happy. 264 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,360 And ADHD, I was able to follow the whole way through. I watched all four episodes at the tan. 265 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:28,320 Okay, let me just tell you again. Or wait, oh, I forgot. Is it zero to 10? 266 00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:35,040 It's a good ADHD, right? We haven't done it in a minute. 10 is like you were able to watch it. It was a 10. 267 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:41,920 So the Fox Hello murders on Hulu, I just want to say that again, it's four episodes. 268 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:49,920 All right, my ratings, I think for the overall, I'm going to say, well, actually, I'm going to do both. 269 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:55,680 Just the overall rating and the ADHD, I'm going to do eights for both. I was definitely able to pay 270 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:03,040 attention a lot more than some other things that we've watched. I do think they probably could have 271 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:12,160 done this in three episodes. Probably, I'll give you that. But it wasn't one of those, yes, they 272 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:18,400 could have shortened it to three. But it also wasn't one where every episode you're like, oh my god, 273 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:26,400 this is so long. So yeah, you know, it wasn't like screaming at me that it was way too long, but 274 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:32,880 it could have been shortened. That's all right. And I'll give you a little inside tip that I use, 275 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,680 which I'm going to keep it. But right now, if you go and you get Hulu, they're giving you three 276 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:43,520 months free. So you can at least try it out. Maybe watch this because it is, we do recommend you watch 277 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:49,200 this. It's a good one if you're into Herb, a story, or any other kind of true crime. But you can go, 278 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,440 you can watch this, give it your trial, and then decide whether you'd like to keep it or not. 279 00:32:53,440 --> 00:33:01,200 Sponsor us Hulu. We're waiting on you. But no, seriously, I did want to say that because like, 280 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:06,240 a lot of people say, well, I don't have Hulu because this is all Hulu right now. You can literally go 281 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,560 sign up and do three months free. That's what I did. And I'm going to go ahead and keep it because, 282 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:17,600 I mean, whatever. Yeah, some decent stuff. Yeah, I always like Hulu. I just got rid of it. I don't know 283 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:24,800 why, but yeah, I went back and I got it again. So here we are. And like we said, this was suggested by 284 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:32,320 someone. So if you have any other ones that you want us to cover, let us know. Most definitely. Yeah, 285 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:39,520 let us know. There's a lot that we may not even think about that would be really interesting to cover. 286 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:47,440 For sure, definitely. Yeah, I just, this story I've been so glad we covered it. I just feel 287 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:54,960 really bad for the family is that I think that they know their loved ones bodies could be recovered 288 00:33:54,960 --> 00:34:00,000 and no one's doing anything about it. And I feel sad that we're never going to know what happened. 289 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:09,120 No, my heart's going out to them. It's sad. And I'm sorry. It's horrible. 290 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:18,400 Nobody should be looked over or treated in the manner that they were. So yeah, we don't, 291 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:26,560 I don't know what we're doing for our many so next time. Do we? I don't know. But Eric can come if 292 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:35,120 you want to. Oh, that's what we're doing. Yes. Next time is going to be a good one. We're going to 293 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:43,120 have Eric from, well, he's from a lot of things, but primarily what you would know him from that we've 294 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:49,920 talked about on here is The Knight House in Hopkinsville, Kentucky. But we want to talk to him about 295 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:57,680 GoblinCon in Kentucky because it's later in August and Amy and Shannon are doing a panel there, 296 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:04,880 which is fun. So yeah, we're going to have him on and promote Goblin Con and do that. Yeah. 297 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,280 Because we want to get him on before GoblinCon. Actually, you don't want to be like, 298 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:15,040 we're going to do GoblinCon and it was two weeks ago. No, we don't want to recap. We want to promote. 299 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:21,600 We did. We did. Yeah. So yeah, that would, that would work good. Yes, I love it. So we'll schedule a date. 300 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:30,240 But for all of us, we will meet back here in two weeks and you'll hear from Eric. Thanks everybody. 301 00:35:30,240 --> 00:35:31,920 Bye. Bye. 302 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:38,880 [Music] 303 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,160 Thanks for making it to the end and hanging out with us. Keep on the lookout for our next episode and stay 304 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:44,880 gruesome. 305 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:48,800 [Music]