1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,680 [Music] 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:19,680 Hello and welcome to our podcast Talk Gruesome to me, where we talk about movies and shows that cover true crime, paranormal and horror. 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:27,920 I am one of your hosts, Dawn. I am currently located in Los Angeles and I think I'm pretty well versed in the horror genre, 4 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:35,360 especially those 80s classics. A quick fun fact about me? I have a very extensive crystal collection. 5 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:43,920 Hello, I'm Amy. I'm from Kentucky and my area of expertise for this podcast is paranormal. A few fun facts about me. 6 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:50,240 I'm an empath, I collect old dolls and you know, I've never flown on an airplane. Can you believe that? 7 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:57,840 Now Dawn and I are also obsessed with true crime, so here we are. Talk Gruesome to me. 8 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:08,560 Hello, today we are covering a case that exploded everywhere. TikTok, Facebook, YouTube, Reddit. I mean, 9 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:17,040 pretty much every corner of true crime internet, social media. This story was in the spring of 2024. 10 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:24,880 At the end, obviously Amy and I will go over what we watched. It was called the Death of the Pastor's Wife. It was on Netflix. 11 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:33,520 But before we get to that, let's talk about the case. So we are going to talk today about 30-year-old Mica Miller. 12 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:42,240 Before we get into this one though, let's talk about there is a lot of information out there on this case. 13 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:50,640 There definitely is and there are a lot of theories. A crazy number. But so for this episode, you know, 14 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:57,280 Amy and I, we always try to stay on the facts. So we're going to do something deliberate. We're going to try to 15 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:04,320 separate what people are saying that they believe happen versus what, you know, the investigators say 16 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:13,200 actually happened because in a lot of cases, those aren't the same at the same time. Some of the things 17 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:19,600 that people were initially talking about online that sounded almost unbelievable, like, I don't know, 18 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:28,880 GPS trackers, damaged tires, a bunch of stuff. Those would actually end up being part of the federal case. 19 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:36,160 Yes, it would. And that's one of the reasons why I think people become so invested in Mica. 20 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:45,600 Yup. Authorities concluded that Mica Miller died by suicide. Her estranged husband, who was a pastor, 21 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:54,080 pastor John Paul Miller, commonly JP. You'll hear us refer to him as JP. He has not been charged with 22 00:02:54,080 --> 00:03:02,720 killing her or causing her death. But in December 2025, a federal grand jury and died at JP Miller on 23 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:10,560 charges of cyber stalking Mica and making false statements to federal investigators. He did plead 24 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:18,080 not guilty. We're going to talk today. What happened? Why millions of people questioned this case? 25 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:26,320 What was actually found? And then what Mica herself reported to because before she died, you'll hear 26 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:33,360 more about that and what was going on. And as always, when we discuss this stuff, you know, these are 27 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:40,560 allegations. Yes, they are. So let's go ahead and let's start with Mica. Mica Miller lived in 28 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:47,920 Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, and she was 30 years old when she passed away. People typically described her 29 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:57,120 As energetic, loving, deeply religious and incredibly talented musically. She sang beautifully. 30 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:03,360 And if you only saw photographs or videos of her, you might have thought that she was living this 31 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:11,120 beautiful church-centered life. But behind the scenes, her marriage was falling apart and she was 32 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:18,080 married, like we said to JP Miller, who was the pastor of Solid Rock Church. This was located in 33 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:26,320 Myrtle Beach. Now JP was considerably older than Mica. Their relationship itself has received a 34 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:32,960 lot of scrutiny because people close to Mica talk about how the relationship began and the power 35 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:40,400 dynamic between them. But in 2023 and 24, the important thing for understanding this case is that 36 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:46,880 Mica was trying to separate herself from JP. Their relationship had become contentious. 37 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:55,680 And eventually, Mica began talking publicly about the abuse. Not necessarily naming JP every single 38 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:02,320 time, but talking about what it was like to leave an abusive relationship. And that's one of the 39 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:08,800 things that become so haunting after she died. People went back and watched those videos and I've seen 40 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:15,760 several of them myself. They were on what we watched. And in one of the videos Micah posted in March 24, 41 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:24,640 she discussed abuse and she posed the question of how God feels about abuse in the context of the 42 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:31,040 religious teaching that God hates divorce. That resonated with people because there's another element 43 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:37,360 to this case that goes beyond just this marriage. It's the idea of something called spiritual abuse. 44 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:43,840 What happens when someone believes leaving their spouse isn't just ending a relationship, 45 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:51,600 but it's something that's somehow failing to God. That kind of power is dynamic and it's 46 00:05:51,600 --> 00:06:00,080 impossible to ignore. By 2023, Micah and JP's marriage was clearly in serious trouble. Mica had 47 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:07,840 filed for divorce in October 23. And that divorce proceeding was eventually dismissed by February 48 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:13,600 2024. And that was after the parties indicated they might be able to resolve their issues. 49 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:20,640 But the reconciliation didn't last. Over the next few months, police records involving Mica began 50 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:27,120 to paint a very disturbing picture. And also, this is where the trackers came in, right? 51 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:34,720 Yep. And this is important because people online initially talked about Mica being tracked 52 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:42,960 as if it were internet speculation. But you know what? It wasn't. There were actual police reports 53 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:51,040 involving GPS tracking devices. In March 24, Mica reported that a tire on her vehicle had been 54 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:58,720 damaged. While the vehicle was being repaired, guess what? The mechanic discovered a tracking device, 55 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:05,360 multiple reports involving GPS trackers connected to vehicles associated with Mica would 56 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:12,640 ultimately surface. Now, imagine already being afraid of somebody. And then somebody working on 57 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:21,120 your car says, Hey, there's a GPS tracker attached to this. I would, oh my gosh, I would be terrified. 58 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:27,360 And I don't, I don't know what I would do. I mean, what would you do? Yeah. Take it off. Somebody's 59 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:32,960 going to put it back. It's a lot to think about, especially when you have someone that powerful over 60 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:40,160 you. And she told the police that she was afraid. Yes. So according to police records on March 11, 61 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:46,880 she reported harassment after a man she'd been avoiding approached her at a gas station. And she 62 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:53,040 said this person had been calling and texting. Despite being blocked, she told police that she feared 63 00:07:53,040 --> 00:08:01,920 for her life. And she also indicated that she had attempted to obtain a restraining order. Now, 64 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:09,600 some early reports from the police did not publicly identify the person that Mica was accusing. So 65 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:15,600 again, we're not just going to put someone's name in there when the report didn't name them. But 66 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:23,360 these became extremely significant later on because federal prosecutors would eventually accuse 67 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:30,800 JP Miller of a pattern of cyber stalking and harassment against her. And this isn't just somebody 68 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:38,000 sending to an annoying text after a breakup. Nope. According to the federal indictment filed later, 69 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:46,080 prosecutors alleged that beginning in November 22, so this a long time continuing until her death in 70 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:55,040 April 24, JP engaged in a pattern of unwanted and harassing behavior. And the government alleges 71 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:04,080 that he contacted Mica repeatedly, including more than 50 times in one day, WTF, they alleged he 72 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:11,600 caused tracking devices to be placed in her vehicle. He interfered with her finances, her daily activities. 73 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:19,760 He posted a nude photograph of her online without her consent. They also say that on one occasion, 74 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:28,000 he damaged her tires. And again, these are alleged and they're contained in a federal indictment. 75 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:33,600 And he has pled not guilty. Yeah. But now you understand why when people started digging through 76 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:39,840 everything Mica had said before she died, this case it just went crazy. And you understand why? 77 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:44,320 Well, yeah, because people weren't just looking at something that happened that one day, 78 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:49,280 April 27, they looked at those months and even years leading up to that day. 79 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:58,160 Yeah. In April 2024, Mica once again took legal acts to separate from JP. She filed for a separate 80 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:06,320 maintenance and support in mid-April. Then on April 25, JP was supportably served with legal papers. 81 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:13,680 Two days later, Mica was dead. And that time it is what immediately made people so suspicious. 82 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:20,880 Yeah, I get why. Yeah. Listen, you hear, this is what you hear, right? 32-year-old woman says she's 83 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:27,200 being abused. She reports she's being tracked. She says she fears for her life. Takes legal action 84 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:32,160 against her husband. Husband gets served two days later, the woman has died from a gunshot wound. 85 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:40,640 Your brain obviously is like, wait, what? Exactly. But that's also where we have to separate suspicious 86 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:47,040 circumstances from evidence. Because when investigators reconstructed Mica's final day, 87 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:52,000 they found substantial evidence supporting their conclusion that she died by suicide. 88 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:58,880 All right, let's talk about that day. Saturday, April 27, Mica traveled from South Carolina to 89 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:06,240 North Carolina. Her destination was a Lumber River State Park and that was in Robinson County. 90 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:13,760 Investigators were eventually able to reconstruct much of her journey using surveillance footage 91 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:21,440 receipts, other types of evidence. Mica had purchased a handgun that day. Investigators later found 92 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:28,560 the gun case inside her vehicle and there is video of that. They also found ammunition and the receipt 93 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:38,000 from the handgun purchase and then at approximately 2:54 that afternoon, the 911 center received a call. 94 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:44,800 It was from Mica and this call is probably the single, I don't know, biggest piece of evidence 95 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:51,200 determining what actually happened to her. We should include at the phone call. Oh, yeah. We should have. 96 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:57,520 I can probably throw it at the end. That'll be okay. Okay. It is incredibly significant. 97 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:02,880 Mica asked a dispatcher whether her phone could be located. She explained that she was going to 98 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:09,600 kill herself and wanted her family to be able to locate her body. The call eventually disconnected. 99 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:16,640 The dispatcher attempted to locate her. Law enforcement was then sent to the area and Mica's body 100 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:24,320 was discovered in the water at Lombard State Park with a gunshot wound. A firearm was recovered 101 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:32,480 nearby. The North Carolina Medical Examiner ultimately determined that Micah died from a self-inflicted 102 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:42,080 gunshot wound. Her manner of death was ruled suicide and police didn't just say the gun, suicide, 103 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:49,840 case closed. No, and this is something that probably got lost online. Yeah. So the Sheriff's Office 104 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:57,360 released a fairly detailed timeline because speculation had become so big. Yeah. Investigators 105 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:03,440 reviewed surveillance footage. They traced her movements. They interviewed witnesses and 106 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:11,280 examined physical evidence. They saw the video of the gun purchase. They looked at her vehicle 107 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:18,880 and they reviewed the 911 call. They also investigated J.P.'s wearabouts. And this is important. 108 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:27,200 They determined J.P. was not in North Carolina when Mica died. They also investigated the wear 109 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:32,480 abouts of a woman believed to be romantically involved with J.P. That's a whole side note. 110 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:40,320 Investigators said she was not in North Carolina either on the day before or the day that Mica had 111 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:47,040 died. So when people online were saying somebody followed into the park or J.P. was secretly there, 112 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:54,320 there's no verified evidence established in that. No. And there were, it wasn't. There were some 113 00:13:54,320 --> 00:14:02,240 wild theories. People were analyzing everything and that's what all of us do now. But they were looking 114 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:09,760 at the cars and shadows and background noises and strangers and saying the 911 call was somehow 115 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:16,080 staged and they questioned whether she was actually the caller. But law enforcement, 116 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:22,800 I don't know, they concluded that she died by suicide and that was that. But I mean, 117 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:28,640 that is important that that's the conclusion they came to because we can talk about her marriage 118 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:34,800 and all of that surrounding that. But I don't know. Without claiming there was a murder when 119 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:42,160 the evidence like isn't supporting that. Right. So why did people refuse to believe it? 120 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:50,400 Well, because there is, this is where the case, it gets complicated. You can believe that Mica 121 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:57,600 physically fired the gun and still think something deeply disturbing happened to her. I think that's 122 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:04,960 the distinction that got completely obliterated on social media. The question became who murdered Mica. 123 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:11,360 But there was another question. What happened to Micah before she passed away? There are two different 124 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:17,120 questions and eventually the federal government became very interested in that second question and 125 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:24,720 her family was saying you don't understand what she had to live through. A member of her family 126 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:29,040 listened. They made serious allegations about her relationship with JP, 127 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:37,280 her sister Sierra Frances. She actually filed an affidavit describing Mica's fear and the allegations 128 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:43,920 of abuse. And according to court documents, Sierra said Mica had told family members that people 129 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:51,600 were following her and tracking her movements. And then one statement attributed to Mica became 130 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:57,600 especially disturbing after her death. Her sister alleged that Mica had said essentially that if she 131 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:04,080 ever ended up with a bullet in her head, it wasn't her. And then that statement blew up and spread 132 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:10,800 it everywhere. And obviously, if you hear that after someone dies from a gunshot wound to the head, 133 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:18,960 you are going to be suspicious. It's human nature. Yeah, clearly. But, you know, we also can't use 134 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:27,760 one-prire statement to erase all of the forensic and investigative evidence surrounding what happened 135 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:34,480 that day. Both can exist. And Mica could have genuinely feared that someone might harm her. 136 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,560 She could have also died by suicide. And I don't know. 137 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:47,360 And there was the way JP announced her death. I remember seeing the video before I even understood the 138 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:57,280 entire case and it's, it's crazy. There was that. That was real odd. Not going to lie. Very odd. 139 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:04,560 And I don't know if that's where all of the crazy theories started popping up. But for good reason, 140 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:11,680 oh, most definitely. And then let's talk a little bit more. So on that Sunday, following her death, 141 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:19,280 JP announced her death to the congregation at Solid Rock. That announcement was recorded and then 142 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:28,560 quickly blew up online and people found it strange because it was. But, you know, she had just died 143 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:35,200 the day before and he invites his friend in for a big song together and just dancing around. Oh my 144 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:42,320 gosh. Yeah. And he told them, you know, she had died. It was self-induced. But I don't know the way that he 145 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:49,040 did it so immediately. But also just the way that he did it. It was, it was all weird. 146 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:58,560 It was very weird. Yeah. I definitely. I just sat there and watched the whole sermon. The announcement. 147 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:10,160 And it's just crazy. And I mean, honestly, this is where one of those places you get stuck at because 148 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:18,480 his behavior gets real tricky because someone not reacting the way you think that they should react. 149 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:24,720 Doesn't necessarily prove that they committed the crime. We got to go ahead and look at that 150 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:31,920 first and foremost. I mean, it was very strange and it was we're both going to agree on it but there's 151 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:40,640 really no certain way to grief. So I don't know. We've had to try this before. There's no 152 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:47,680 right or wrong. So, you know, I try to look at maybe that was just this way to grief. But maybe, 153 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:56,880 I mean, some people laugh, some people, they might shut down and I guess maybe, maybe become weirdly 154 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:04,960 impractical. People may seem cold or hysterical. I mean, there's all different ways that an individual 155 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:11,600 could act. So I don't think someone's demeanor can tell us whether they're guilty of something. 156 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:19,520 But public perception matters when we're explaining why this became such a phenomenon. And people that 157 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:26,720 watched the announcement thought something definitely felt wrong. They discovered Mica's videos. 158 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:34,160 They found the police reports. They heard about the GPS trackers. They learned about the divorce 159 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:42,960 proceedings. Then they heard her family's allegations. Now, suddenly thousands of eventually millions 160 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:51,520 of people were digging into Mica's life. Okay, I was one of those people. And that phrase, justice 161 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:58,720 for Mica became this huge rallying cry. Again, I was right there with them. And it wasn't just social 162 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:05,600 media. I mean, people began physically showing up outside of the church. Week after week, protesters 163 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:11,760 were gathering, wearing purple. They were carrying signs. Some were local, but some also traveled 164 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:19,440 to the area to do it. They used bull horns. They were filming church members. You know, it was 165 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:26,880 what you all think it would be. And then they tried to bring attention to the domestic violence and 166 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:35,520 the control. I mean, we know that part was there. So I mean, that's very, very appropriate. But that's 167 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:42,400 what's unusual about this case. Usually there's outrage for a couple of weeks. And that did not, 168 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:47,920 that didn't go away with this case. It lasted way more than a couple of weeks. Months. Years. 169 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:55,600 And then the church, obviously, it was seriously affected. And their attendance went down. And then 170 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:04,000 it eventually closed in November 2024. And the church was later sold. J.P.'s attorney blamed the 171 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:10,640 protesters for destroying the church. But, you know, the protesters saw it differently to them. They 172 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:20,160 were telling Mica's story. Yeah. And purple basically become the color for her. Purple clothing, 173 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:28,240 purple ribbons, purple balloons, justice for Mica signs. And this move, it wasn't just saying 174 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:34,640 we think this was murder. For many people, it involved into a conversation about domestic violence 175 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:44,480 and specifically, cohesive control. And this core, I can't say it. You say that's okay. Control. 176 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:53,200 You know how that happens sometimes. But this is really important because abuse, it's not just 177 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:59,760 always someone hitting or punching on you. No. So, course of control. Let's talk a little about 178 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:08,000 that. That describes a pattern of behavior that is intended to strip another person of autonomy. 179 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:14,000 So it can be various things controlling money, tracking where someone's going, 180 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:21,520 monitoring their communications, isolating them from friends and family, threatening them, 181 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:27,360 humiliating them, controlling access to their resources, constantly contacting them, 182 00:22:27,360 --> 00:22:35,280 using private information against them, using technology to monitor everything about them. 183 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:42,960 And then essentially just making another adult feel as though they no longer control their own 184 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:50,720 life. And Mica's death eventually became part of an effort to change the laws in South Carolina. 185 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:58,080 There's a proposed measure that supporters have referred to as Mica's law. And that seeks to 186 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:07,680 address course of control within domestic violence law. And honestly, this might end up being one of 187 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:15,440 her biggest legacy. This might be it for her. Yeah. Yeah. This might be what she's remembered for. 188 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:23,680 It's terrible as that situation is. That's not a bad thing to come out of it. I mean, 189 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:31,440 it happened. You can't change that. So if something good can come out of it, hopefully that makes 190 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:39,360 her family and friends feel better. But one of the things that her family and these other 191 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:45,280 supporters have repeatedly raised is what do you do? What do you do when someone's terrified? But 192 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:53,120 the behavior that they're reporting doesn't fit neatly into this traditional idea of what you 193 00:23:53,120 --> 00:24:00,320 think of physical violence. Someone doesn't have to punch you in the face to be terrorizing you. 194 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:08,320 Oh, definitely not. And I believe that her case shows just that. So I guess let's go ahead and talk 195 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:17,520 about TikTok. Oh, boy. Yeah. Because the internet became the unofficial Robinson County Sheriff's 196 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:23,600 Department. Let's talk about it. Everyone had a badge like they always do. Listen again, I was one of 197 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:30,960 them, but people have very mixed feelings about what happened. I mean, it kept her story alive, 198 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:37,360 which is great, but people were uncovering public records, attending hearings. They found those 199 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:44,960 old videos on her social. They preserved information, organized demonstrations. They talked about 200 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:52,240 the domestic violence and they refused to let her become a headline that disappeared in 48 hours. 201 00:24:53,120 --> 00:25:00,320 Yeah, but internet slew thing can also become incredibly dangerous. People started 202 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:06,480 treating theories like established facts. Random individuals were accused of participating in 203 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:15,040 conspiracies. And every person connected to JP becomes suspicious. Every car came suspicious, 204 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:21,840 every timeline to script and see become proof of murder. And thousands of people collectively 205 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:30,080 decided what happened. Contradictory evidence becomes part of the conspiracy too. Which happens 206 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:37,520 constantly and true crime honestly. Constantly. And if police agree with the theory, they're heroes. 207 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:44,000 If they don't agree, they're covering something up. But that's just not how evidence works. So the sheriff 208 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:50,720 specifically pushed back against all of these rumors and conspiracy theories surrounding 209 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:57,600 Mica's death. Sorry I've burped. But that's okay. Their position has remained that the determination 210 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:04,320 was based off of surveillance footage, interviews, physical evidence, medical examiner findings. But 211 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:10,960 there's part that makes this case unusual. So while authorities were rejecting the murder conspiracy 212 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:17,200 theories, other law enforcement agencies were continuing to investigate the allegations surrounding 213 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:24,320 JP's treatment of Micah. And then November 1st, 2024 happens. If you thought the internet was 214 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:32,320 crazy before. Right. On that day, November 1st, federal agents arrived at JP Miller's 215 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:38,960 Mertle Beach home. The FBI confirmed that their agents were conducting court-authorized law enforcement 216 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:46,560 activity. Reporters watched the members of the FBI evidence response team enter and leave the 217 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:52,720 house carrying bags and stuff. The neighbors watched, reporters watched. People following the case 218 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:58,720 were watching live streams. And then suddenly people have been waiting that FBI's investigating and 219 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:08,080 became, it's real now. It is. And I remember people basically celebrating. But even then, we don't 220 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:14,640 exactly know what federal investigators are even looking for. Search warrant doesn't equal guilty, 221 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:21,840 of course. And it doesn't tell you what someone will eventually be charged with. It also definitely 222 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:32,320 doesn't prove murder. So there was about another long period of waiting. Okay, so we just realized we 223 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:39,520 only have six minutes left on our Zoom. And this case is just a lot. And we haven't even gotten into 224 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:47,840 the Netflix show yet. So we're gonna break this into two parts. Make sure that you come back for part 225 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:57,840 two in two weeks. Yeah, we'll meet back here in two weeks for that part. And then we will wrap this 226 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:02,080 up. I mean, maybe we should have broken this into three parts, but that's okay. I mean, I've got a 227 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:08,400 lot to say about Mr. JP. So we might have to. And everybody might have to cover their ears when I speak 228 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:16,560 to it that funny. That's funny. JP. All right. Yeah, we'll just finish this up. And two weeks 229 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:22,640 hopefully we can do it in one episode. I think we can. Yeah, probably. And I start get going. 230 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:27,760 Oh, when we get on our opinions, it's yeah, because I mean, we're just like everybody else. Now, 231 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:32,000 we're gonna go through the facts and let you know what's going on with the case. But at the end of 232 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:39,440 the day, we still have opinions. So yeah, I think you'll probably want to hear those two. So make sure 233 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:45,360 you check out part two. Most definitely. All right. Well, thanks everyone. Bye. Bye. 234 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:56,480 Thanks for making it to the end and hanging out with us. Keep on the lookout for our next episode 235 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:03,680 and stay gruesome.