1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:10,000 [Music] 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,920 Hello and welcome to our podcast Talk Gruesome to Me, where we talk about movies and shows 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,800 that cover true crime, paranormal, and horror. 4 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:21,600 I am one of your hosts, Dawn. 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:27,400 I am currently located in Los Angeles and I think I'm pretty well versed in the horror 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:28,400 genre. 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,000 Especially those 80s classics. 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:36,720 A quick fun fact about me, I have a very extensive crystal collection. 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,720 Hello, I'm Amy. 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:42,280 I'm from Kentucky and my area of expertise for this podcast is paranormal. 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,000 A few fun facts about me. 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,000 I'm an empath. 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:49,120 I collect old dolls and you know, I've never flown on an airplane. 14 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:50,440 Can you believe that? 15 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,920 Now Dawn and I are also obsessed with true crime, so here we are. 16 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:57,960 Talk Gruesome to Me. 17 00:00:57,960 --> 00:00:58,960 Welcome in. 18 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,680 We are back here for Mica Miller Part 3. 19 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:10,240 You guys know that we have went over so many facts and we did also mention, I guess, a 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,960 couple of things that we didn't go into quite deeply like marriages and we're going to 21 00:01:14,960 --> 00:01:18,640 go ahead and we're going to put those facts right at you now. 22 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:23,240 That way you can kind of not be left hanging. 23 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:24,240 Yeah. 24 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:25,240 And you know it. 25 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,920 Amy and I intended to just do a part one. 26 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,960 Yeah, then just a part two. 27 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:36,080 And then we keep mentioning stuff and not going into it and yeah, if you want to, we're 28 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:37,280 leaving you all hanging. 29 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:43,600 So yeah, we definitely want to come and address some of the other things that we did mention 30 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:46,160 in previous episodes. 31 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:51,560 And hopefully you watched the Netflix show so that you're caught up too. 32 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:52,560 Yeah. 33 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:53,560 You can't think. 34 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:57,480 Yeah, if not, we're here for you. 35 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:58,480 We got you. 36 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:06,040 So one of the things that we mentioned, like super, super briefly, was her age when they 37 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:07,040 met. 38 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:08,840 That was at the end of part two. 39 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:14,320 So if you didn't listen to that one, stop, go listen to part two, one and two if you didn't 40 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:15,320 come back here now. 41 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,600 Yeah, start with one and then go to two. 42 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,440 And then here we are with three. 43 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:25,480 And the first one's like 29 minutes, 30 minutes, they're shorter. 44 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:31,480 All right, they met when she was a literal child. 45 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,480 She was 13. 46 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,280 Yeah, so young. 47 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:43,640 And she was very into the church, not just your normal little 13 to 16 year old child. 48 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:47,960 She was into the church very deeply. 49 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,720 By the time she was 16, she was leading their choir. 50 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,120 And he was the pastor at that church at the time. 51 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,360 And so they did a lot together. 52 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:04,200 And he was not her boss, but a mentor. 53 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,120 And he was the leader of the church. 54 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,800 So they spent a lot of time together. 55 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:16,240 Yeah, and we're not insinuated anything sexual with that relationship at all. 56 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,400 Just a mentor at that point. 57 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:24,840 I don't believe there was any evidence pointing to there ever be in a sexual relationship 58 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:26,160 during those years. 59 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:33,080 No, but I will go to my grave saying, and he and his lawyer have denied it. 60 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:38,840 But I will go to my grave saying he was fully grooming that poor girl. 61 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:39,840 Grooming? 62 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:43,640 I'm going to say yes, but I don't believe there's anything sexual. 63 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:44,640 Correct. 64 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:45,640 Agree. 65 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:52,600 I don't think she was so, especially at a young age like that, she was so into religion 66 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,000 and God and everything. 67 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,120 I can't picture her doing that. 68 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:04,760 I mean, she had met her ex-husband at that church, Jeremy Deez. 69 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:06,560 I just can't. 70 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:07,560 I agree. 71 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,560 I'm on board with that. 72 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,640 Yeah, they married when they were just 18 years old. 73 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,600 And then again, guess who married them? 74 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:16,600 JP Miller. 75 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:17,600 Sure did. 76 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:18,600 Oh boy. 77 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:26,000 This, just the whole meeting her at 13 is just gross. 78 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:29,280 Well, he was how old was he? 79 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:31,760 He was in his late 20s, but I don't think so. 80 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:32,760 Yeah. 81 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:40,840 And I mean, not to say that I don't believe that it can't go on to happen. 82 00:04:40,840 --> 00:04:48,720 And I mean, I remember just being a little girl in church, we had what we thought was very 83 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,160 handsome, pastor at the time. 84 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:57,960 You know, so I'm sure some of the girls might have looked at him that way. 85 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,440 We just don't know if she did. 86 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:01,440 Right. 87 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,520 And she was also his babysitter. 88 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:09,720 So he was married at the time to a woman named Allison and they had, I think, five kids 89 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:14,440 and Mica was a babysitter for them. 90 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:15,440 Yeah. 91 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,320 And then eventually, gosh, what was it? 92 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:23,040 She started working with him in about three years into her marriage. 93 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:27,440 Her relationship at that point becomes sexual with JP. 94 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:28,680 Yes. 95 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:36,400 I know I said she was into religious things and whatever so much. 96 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:47,080 I think that grooming has such a strong influence over people that even if you are religious or 97 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:48,080 whatever. 98 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:54,080 I mean, grooming can change your thought processes regardless of who you are or what I mean. 99 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:55,080 You're a child. 100 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:57,760 You have a child's brain. 101 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,080 That's the whole point of grooming and why it so messed up. 102 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:11,680 I feel bad for her. 103 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,240 I mean, imagine that in her turmoil that she went through during that, I mean, listen, I don't 104 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,120 condone cheating, but she's the kid and she was being groomed. 105 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:20,120 Yeah. 106 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,520 I mean, she'd known this man since she was 13 years old. 107 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,640 She was a choir leader in his church. 108 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:26,360 And then after a marriage, well, no, back up, she was babysitting his children. 109 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:28,000 After a marriage, she was working close with him. 110 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,040 I mean, things, I guess just happened. 111 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:32,040 Yeah. 112 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:38,600 Well, his sister or no, sorry, her sister, Sierra said that it started out. 113 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,520 Messages and type stuff. 114 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:41,520 Yes. 115 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:48,600 And then they started getting affectionate and then they became sort of romantic and then sexual 116 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,120 and then it was a full blown. 117 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:57,000 The next thing you know, JP's making an announcement in the church. 118 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,000 Oh my gosh. 119 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,680 He always does in the church, which is so weird. 120 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:08,400 Again, we're going to go back to where he was talking about, I don't preach about anything 121 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,480 that is not going on in my own home. 122 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:12,480 Yeah. 123 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:18,640 Well, why would you preach to everyone in your church about what's going on inside 124 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:19,640 your home. 125 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:20,640 It's so weird. 126 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:21,640 Yeah. 127 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:27,680 He announced it and then obviously both of those marriages ended and then that, JP and 128 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,480 Mica got married in 2017. 129 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:32,480 She was still young. 130 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:33,480 She was 23. 131 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:34,760 He was 38. 132 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:39,480 So I mean, listen, yes, there's an age gap in his, that the worst thing in the world. 133 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:40,480 No. 134 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,960 My sister dated someone who was substantially older than her. 135 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:52,160 I, that's fine, but my issue comes in when you've known her since she was a literal child. 136 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:53,160 Right. 137 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:54,160 Right. 138 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:55,160 Yeah. 139 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,640 And then the other thing that we touched on. 140 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:05,600 That we didn't get into, but we breathed over was the whole Susie Skinner thing. 141 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:10,880 We had said, oh yeah, and JP was having an affair during all of this Mica stuff and when 142 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,120 she died and that the woman was part of the church. 143 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:22,920 There's a whole story about that that Amy mentioned of her hubbend having died as well. 144 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,520 We'll try to go over that. 145 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:26,800 There's so much. 146 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:32,160 So Susie was married to a guy named Chris. 147 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:38,440 And Chris, I think in his early 20s, something happened to him and he ended up in a wheelchair. 148 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:41,040 He was paralyzed and in a wheelchair, right? 149 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,680 Oh boy. 150 00:08:42,680 --> 00:08:45,160 She, not that this is shady. 151 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:46,840 I mean, I'm sure it happens, whatever. 152 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:51,400 She was his physical therapist when they met. 153 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:59,360 They met, they got married, started going to the same church and then the sister, Chris 154 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:11,160 the sister said that she started getting uncomfortable with JP, I guess the last few months of Chris's 155 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:12,160 life. 156 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:18,400 Chris had told Susie that he didn't want to go to the church anymore. 157 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,400 Yeah. 158 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:28,000 That was a good call because his wife was with the pastor. 159 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:34,800 And not to talk about how he passed away, he was in a wheelchair and ended up in a pool. 160 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:35,800 Yes. 161 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,280 And, and there's no question. 162 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:39,280 No. 163 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:47,560 But after Micah's death, they did go back and they checked everything again. 164 00:09:47,560 --> 00:09:50,040 And then they said, I can't remember exactly. 165 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,520 I'm trying to recall. 166 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:57,880 They said something about how, when they went back and looked at video footage, he didn't, 167 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:04,200 they could only see part of it, but he didn't roll off the side accidentally or something. 168 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:09,960 He kind of came to a stop or something and then tipped over or I don't, there was something. 169 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:11,760 Oh, I can't remember. 170 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,800 I don't want to spread misinformation. 171 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:19,800 But there was something about the way that he fell in the pool. 172 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,920 That was weird when they went back and looked at it. 173 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,440 Did they ever say where the remote was to his wheelchair? 174 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:26,920 I don't know. 175 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,560 Because I know they were talking about how it could be used with the remote, but I don't 176 00:10:31,560 --> 00:10:34,720 remember here anything about where the remote was. 177 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:36,480 I don't know. 178 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,880 Also, I, oh man. 179 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:45,760 I have pneumonia so like my voice is all funky, but I feel like I can barely breathe. 180 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,600 Oh, anyways. 181 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,400 Okay. 182 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:50,680 So they affair though. 183 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:52,480 Let's talk about this. 184 00:10:52,480 --> 00:11:01,120 It has been reported that Mica was telling people that she thought that Susie was having 185 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,120 an affair with JP. 186 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:07,200 And this was I think leading up to the months before she died. 187 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,200 Yes. 188 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:10,200 There's so much. 189 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:14,120 And then who to see end up marrying and still married to? 190 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:15,120 Susie. 191 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:16,640 Yes. 192 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:24,120 And also JP's first wife, Allison, who we talked about a few minutes ago, she said in an 193 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:33,760 actual like a legal affidavit, she said that Chris had confronted JP about Susie. 194 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:42,320 I guess essentially like said, stay away from my wife Susie and my kids and then after 195 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,720 the drowning immediately after he showed up. 196 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:46,720 JP. 197 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:47,720 Yes. 198 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,960 JP and Mica showed up to the location. 199 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:57,320 And you have to say and Mica because she was just going because her husband, you know, 200 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,120 someone in their church. 201 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,080 But yeah, he was right up there. 202 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:02,080 Exactly. 203 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,480 And he was right in with the police arriving. 204 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:06,480 Mm-hmm. 205 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:07,480 Yeah. 206 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:12,600 And in that Netflix show, they, I think they showed a video clip of them at the-- 207 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:13,600 Yep. 208 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,320 They were starting to walk around the house. 209 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,320 Yeah. 210 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:17,320 With Susie. 211 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:26,320 And they also showed video of Susie at the church just right next to Mica hanging out 212 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,000 while she's sleeping with our husband. 213 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:30,000 Mm-hmm. 214 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,840 Don't you love ladies like that? 215 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:32,840 So gross. 216 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,000 It's disgusting. 217 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:36,720 So gross. 218 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,320 What are you doing? 219 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:48,560 Anyway, so Chris passed away in 2021 and then just for context, that was three years before 220 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:50,720 Mica passed away. 221 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:58,160 And then 13 months after Mica's death, JP and Susie got married. 222 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,840 I'm surprised they waited that long. 223 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:01,840 Yeah. 224 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:02,840 Same. 225 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:03,840 I'm gonna say we're already together. 226 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:09,960 Yeah, I'm surprised they waited that long and she obviously, of course the church ended 227 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,480 solid-rockin' it up shutting down. 228 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:16,800 But that wasn't the end of his church and she was right there along with him and the 229 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,320 basements or wherever it was they were putting them on. 230 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,000 I mean, the one they showed on there, he had a pretty good little crowd, but it wasn't 231 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,680 nothing like he used to have. 232 00:13:25,680 --> 00:13:28,840 Also, what-- we wanted to talk about-- 233 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,800 Oh, yeah. 234 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:39,000 And so you had mentioned in one of the two previous episodes, you had mentioned about her 235 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,400 being institutionalized against her will. 236 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:43,400 Yes. 237 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,400 Yes, yes. 238 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:46,520 Several times she was institutionalized. 239 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:51,240 And at one point, went as far-- and this just broke my heart. 240 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,360 Mica knew what was coming. 241 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:57,120 So she went off was going to be with-- was our sister. 242 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,400 She was going to meet with, wasn't it? 243 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:00,400 I think so, now. 244 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:06,280 But anyways, one of the church members called her and of course, why wouldn't you trust 245 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,280 one of your church members? 246 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:13,720 Asked Mica to meet them at the church, they would help straighten this whole situation 247 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:14,920 out. 248 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:25,080 So Mica trust her church member and knows that they could never, I guess, go and have 249 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:29,280 her institutionalized because there was obviously no need. 250 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:34,600 Well, she goes to the church and waiting for our police. 251 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,440 So off to be institutionalized again, she was. 252 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:47,040 I mean, and all of that, to me, if he honestly and truly felt like she was crazy as he would 253 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,480 act, he'd done it. 254 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:55,040 But I think that he'd done that as a control issue. 255 00:14:55,040 --> 00:15:02,240 After being bad, I'm going to put you in the institution, the psych ward, wherever it is he put 256 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,640 her as a punishment. 257 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,800 Well, and he kind of set it up. 258 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:16,480 He was going to the cops a couple of days before and telling them things about her that he 259 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:17,720 probably made up. 260 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:23,080 But telling her parents and her family the same things that he was taking care of her that 261 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,880 she needed her medication. 262 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:32,000 And at the end, he even, he put some shade toward the family saying that they wouldn't let 263 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:38,440 her have her medication, which gladly one of her sisters stood up and said, no, at any 264 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:42,120 point, if she said, well, I'm feeling better, I think I'm going to cut back. 265 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:47,800 They would say definitely not, you need to reach out to your doctor before you think about 266 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:48,880 doing that. 267 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:57,800 So her family was very supportive of her, supportive of her and they looked nothing like he did. 268 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:58,800 Yeah. 269 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:04,880 But also when she was in the hospital, she was telling them the stuff that was going on and 270 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:13,800 that he had stolen her belongings and he was tracking her and the tires like all, he, why, 271 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:20,080 is she in the hospital when he's the one doing everything, but then I bet you, he made her 272 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:22,240 look that crazy. 273 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:28,720 Yeah, this is just my theory is that he was probably saying, oh, she's paranoid, she made 274 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:29,720 all that up. 275 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:30,720 Yep. 276 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:37,560 I mean, whether she needed lithium or not, I'm not sure, but if a person is having those 277 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,120 kind of episodes, wouldn't that help? 278 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,200 I don't know. 279 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:43,200 I don't know what that's to. 280 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:44,200 I mean, I don't know. 281 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:52,400 Maybe they were just like you said, doing what they were doing to help her from the information 282 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,520 that he was giving them. 283 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:55,520 Right. 284 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,520 Because who should know you better than the person that you're married to, right? 285 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:00,520 Yeah. 286 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:04,280 And you can't go on and off meds like that. 287 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:05,280 No. 288 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:11,840 Yes, you will become manic and you will have breaks and you cannot go on and off your 289 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,840 meds like that. 290 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:19,480 But the question in my mind is, did she need to be on these meds? 291 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:26,400 Did you listen to him and put her on meds based on what he said or what she said? 292 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:27,400 I don't know. 293 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,640 Or did she just go along with what he was saying? 294 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:35,640 In the beginning, I mean, like, yeah, okay, you know, I mean, she had so much respect for 295 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,680 this man, her husband, her pastor. 296 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:47,800 But also that last time that she was hospitalized, that was around the time when she was starting 297 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,520 to speak up, filing for... 298 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,760 Distance or self-heel? 299 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:52,760 Yeah. 300 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:54,840 I agree. 301 00:17:54,840 --> 00:18:00,040 The timing of it is so suspect. 302 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,040 It is. 303 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,040 Yeah. 304 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,040 If he can just make everyone think that she's crazy. 305 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:09,080 And also when she was in the hospital, he took all her stuff and took it somewhere else 306 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:13,960 so that she didn't have any of her belongings. 307 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:20,520 So there was no evidence of any of the stuff that she was accusing him of, basically. 308 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:21,520 No. 309 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:25,920 Oh, speaking of accusing him, can we talk about... 310 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:32,800 So if you have a little kid ears, we're going to talk about a little bit of inappropriate 311 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:37,280 stuff for probably young children. 312 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:43,280 One of the things that Mica had said, and they covered a little bit of this in the Netflix 313 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:54,360 doc, but she had said that they would pick up prostitutes and that JP would either watch 314 00:18:54,360 --> 00:19:01,760 them with Mica or sometimes they would pick them up to have three sums. 315 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,920 She was writing about it in her journals. 316 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:09,640 She didn't want to do that and she thought it was not godly, if you will. 317 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:10,640 I don't know. 318 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:11,640 That's... 319 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,480 Oh, just forcing her to do stuff. 320 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:22,640 She doesn't want to do, but also in the Netflix show they talked about how she was having 321 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,000 to take medication. 322 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,320 I can't remember what it was. 323 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:31,920 She was taking, but she would have to take it because he would basically demand that she 324 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,920 would have sex with him multiple times a day and late at night. 325 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:37,920 It was testosterone. 326 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:38,920 Oh, yeah. 327 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,520 And it ruined her vocal cords. 328 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:42,520 Yeah. 329 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,920 And he wouldn't let her go to sleep unless she had sex with him. 330 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,120 That's so gross. 331 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:53,640 So gross and horrible and what? 332 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:54,640 I don't know. 333 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,680 It's poor girl. 334 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:03,160 I don't know what exactly taking testosterone can do to you when you don't need it, but it's 335 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:04,800 definitely not going to be good things. 336 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:05,800 I don't know. 337 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,800 I don't understand what he was thinking. 338 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:16,560 I don't know, but that also goes back to when you said he would say wacky shit in his 339 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:24,400 sermons because he would say, Amy said in one of the previous episodes that he would say 340 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:33,340 things in his sermons that pertain to his everyday life, which, okay, I'm sure pastors want to be 341 00:20:33,340 --> 00:20:39,920 relatable to the people that they're preaching to, but that stuff that he was saying and preaching 342 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:42,640 about was disgusting. 343 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,640 Wacky doodle do. 344 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:52,800 He was, he would basically on multiple occasions told them that if you aren't sleeping with your 345 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,880 husband that he's going to cheat on you, not in those words. 346 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:03,040 Oh, and that if you wonder why your husband doesn't want you, it's because of your mouth. 347 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,000 That was one of my favorite ones. 348 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,000 Yeah. 349 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,000 I can't. 350 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:18,280 He basically tells his congregation that if you're not putting out with your spouse that, that 351 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:22,320 person is going to have no self control and they're going to get it somewhere. 352 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,160 And the devil's going to put what, 20 options in front of him. 353 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:33,760 Well, I, how he fucking does because that means that he's not the man for me. 354 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:39,920 You know, yeah, he said it's going to be an angel that God's going to spend down to take 355 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:40,920 care of them. 356 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:41,920 Yeah. 357 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:42,920 Okay. 358 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:43,920 I wish someone else. 359 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:49,560 And then a successful marriage is where his needs are being met. 360 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,600 That is very successful, I guess. 361 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,600 Jesus. 362 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:53,600 I don't. 363 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,600 I've never in my life heard any of this stuff in church. 364 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:03,760 No, he also talked about her and her mental health in front of the congregation. 365 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:09,120 He, I'm pretty sure even God, now I can't remember in the Netflix show. 366 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:12,440 I feel like he even told them she was on lithium. 367 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:13,440 What? 368 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,800 What are you doing? 369 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:16,800 Horrible. 370 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:17,800 I don't understand. 371 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:27,040 I'm sure the ones right before she died were, the timing was, it was when she was in the hospital, 372 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:37,480 but the timing, he must have known he was driving her to that point of where she felt like she 373 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:39,120 had no other choice. 374 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:41,000 And I mean, I'm sure there's other things that happen. 375 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:42,000 We don't even know about. 376 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,000 Oh, yeah. 377 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,000 Yeah. 378 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,360 But, and if you watch, that's what I like. 379 00:22:46,360 --> 00:22:53,080 I know I mentioned in an earlier episode that I really liked the fact that with this documentary 380 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:59,720 there is so many pictures, videos, and of course they videoed a lot in the church and that 381 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:06,320 was to a great advantage because as I watched the beginning of Mica and I watched her to 382 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:12,320 the end, she did not even have the same light in her eyes as she did when she started. 383 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,480 It was just gone. 384 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:17,280 She was defeated. 385 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,240 Her eyes look like mine underneath. 386 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:23,440 She was just a shell. 387 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:24,760 You could see it. 388 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,960 Her face just broke my heart in some of the shots. 389 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:28,960 Yeah. 390 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,000 And I don't know. 391 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,240 Yes they interviewed her sister and other friends. 392 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,960 And I don't know what they all think at this point. 393 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:48,280 I don't know if they think somehow he hired someone or if they believe she did it but because 394 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:53,520 of him and being tortured by him and being forced to do all these things. 395 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:54,520 I don't know. 396 00:23:54,520 --> 00:24:01,520 It's possible that they might have talked to them about that a little bit just so that we 397 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:08,320 know where they're at today because I do know in the beginning, like myself, they were 398 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:13,040 very convinced that he did this somehow. 399 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:19,160 I'm just curious to see if now that it's been a couple of years, do they? 400 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,280 They feel the same way. 401 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,640 Do they think he caused it but not physically? 402 00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,240 I don't know. 403 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:34,640 I wonder also how they feel about the rage women have felt for their sister. 404 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,760 Yeah, valid. 405 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,200 I mean that people go hard for her. 406 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:47,360 But that's also why it's, I don't want to use the word nice. 407 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:49,600 I don't know what other words to use. 408 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,600 That's also why it's nice to see that they're trying to possibly change legislation. 409 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,440 That makes me happy. 410 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,320 That does it makes me happy. 411 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,720 Nobody should have to go through what Mica did. 412 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:03,720 No. 413 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:14,720 And speaking of his sermons, we haven't covered that last one the day after she died. 414 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:19,080 I mean it was a jump in party in the beginning. 415 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:25,760 He did the whole sermon and didn't even mention that, oh my wife died yesterday. 416 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:26,760 What? 417 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:29,960 He had his best friend come on and play. 418 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:30,960 Yeah. 419 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,440 That best friend is shady as fuck too. 420 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:36,440 Yeah. 421 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,240 But I've never seen so bad. 422 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,680 Somebody is happy to play the piano as he was that morning. 423 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:42,680 Yeah. 424 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:43,680 So weird. 425 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,760 And then I mean he, oh my God. 426 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,560 At the end he mentioned it. 427 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:48,560 No questions. 428 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,040 I don't want to hear you talking about it. 429 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,680 She's gone and slips out the back door. 430 00:25:54,680 --> 00:26:02,800 So you left her what, three seconds of your whole sermon for that morning and told them 431 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,800 that she did it. 432 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:05,800 Yeah. 433 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,000 And they'll let them know the funeral arrangements soon. 434 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,000 Okay. 435 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,800 We're a whole three to four seconds. 436 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:11,800 Yeah. 437 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,320 I can't. 438 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,800 It was so weird. 439 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:16,800 What? 440 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,800 You have to see it. 441 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:22,520 If you haven't watched the show, they cover it in the Netflix show. 442 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,520 I wonder. 443 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:32,440 If for even just a second, it ever crossed his mind to have the other pastor, the female, 444 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,040 do that day sermon. 445 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,000 Do you know how normal that would have looked of an announcement and I'm going to do today 446 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,000 sermon? 447 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,000 Yeah. 448 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,040 But no, we have a big show. 449 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:50,560 If I was sitting there for that, I'd just be like, what? 450 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:51,560 Yeah. 451 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:52,560 I can't. 452 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:53,560 All of it. 453 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:54,480 I can't. 454 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,960 It's just a terrible person. 455 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,880 We did the Netflix ratings in the last episode. 456 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,600 You want to write JP Miller? 457 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:09,800 I was going to say, let's just, let's just talk about him specifically. 458 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,760 Oh, yeah. 459 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:18,480 I rate him zero out of 10, clearly zero editing. 460 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:24,440 He's just a horrible person and it'll be interesting to see over the next. 461 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:29,000 Whatever, 10 years, what happens with Susie? 462 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,000 Absolutely. 463 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,360 If she's going to stick in or not. 464 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:39,440 And I also wonder how he treats her and what was the first, what was Alison? 465 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:40,440 Alison, yes. 466 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,360 I also, I don't know. 467 00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:48,400 It makes none of my business, but I am discurious how he treated them in the marriage. 468 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:54,400 I mean, obviously he was a cheater, but I'm talking about like when nobody, I'm talking 469 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,400 about him. 470 00:27:55,400 --> 00:28:02,480 Was he kind to them or was he a sexual maniac? 471 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,480 That for sure. 472 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:04,480 Yeah. 473 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,480 I feel like that's something you don't change. 474 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,720 That's just who you are. 475 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:17,000 Yeah, but like if you were good to them and all, I don't understand why would you treat 476 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:18,800 Micah like that? 477 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,320 Someone you've known since she was a child. 478 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:30,000 And if you lay it out just the effects of who they were, they could have been a power couple 479 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,440 of that church and community for all of the right reasons. 480 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:41,440 But instead, she's gone and you're just an poor excuse for a man. 481 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:48,640 I wonder how many people left that church after they announced their affair. 482 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,480 I wonder. 483 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,320 That's a good question. 484 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,080 Wait, so back to JP. 485 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,720 I can't say enough bad things about him. 486 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,320 I mean, look at just his behavior. 487 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,800 Remember when he was rolling around on the grass? 488 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,960 He's like a Charles Manson. 489 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:10,960 Oh, yeah. 490 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:19,120 Up there talking about nothing, nobody has any business here and everybody says, "Oh, it's 491 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,120 just..." 492 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,800 And manipulating using the mind. 493 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:24,800 Yeah. 494 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:30,360 I mean, that's kind of basically the setup for his actions. 495 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,360 Oh, boy. 496 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,360 Oh, no, if there's anything else. 497 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:40,440 And if there's anything that he wants, he's not going to let anything stand in his way. 498 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:41,440 No. 499 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,240 Out of the words of his mouth. 500 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,240 Maybe not exactly, but that's what he said. 501 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,240 Yeah. 502 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:48,880 Do we miss anything? 503 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:54,320 I think that was everything that we talked about in the previous two that we breathed over. 504 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,360 I wanted to cover because we only had two minutes left. 505 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:03,720 Well, all I have to say is I hope he sees Mica in his dreams every night when he goes to 506 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:04,720 sleep. 507 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,080 I know, but I feel like people like that don't. 508 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,440 Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like they never... 509 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:12,440 I don't know. 510 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,800 You're probably right because they don't care. 511 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:19,280 He's got an agenda and it's only for himself. You're right. 512 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,080 Today I'm shame. 513 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,080 Fuck you, JP. 514 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,080 Yeah. 515 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,280 Yeah, what she said. 516 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:34,560 And also, I think our next episode, we might have a special guest who is my friend that was 517 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,600 just in an ID show this week that came out. 518 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:44,440 So we're going to try to line something up and record with her about her story. 519 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:52,440 And it kind of...it isn't the same, but it deals with laws and stalking. 520 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,440 It does. 521 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,600 And I mean, luckily she came out of it. 522 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:02,320 I love and I cannot wait to meet her and hear her story. 523 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,160 Yeah, I love her. 524 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:11,920 So yeah, hopefully we can get that scheduled if not, obviously we'll record something else. 525 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:12,920 Yeah. 526 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,600 And we'll get well. 527 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:22,360 Me back here in two weeks, we finally wrapped up after three episodes on Mica Miller. 528 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,120 We are done. 529 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:27,800 And the death of the pastor's wife on Netflix. 530 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:29,600 Definitely watch it. 531 00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:30,600 Definitely watch it. 532 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,840 You're going to be left at the end saying what the fuck like us, but watch it. 533 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:36,840 Yeah. 534 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,000 Yeah. 535 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:43,440 She was such a special person, so it sucks. 536 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:48,520 I'm glad that her legacy is going somewhere positive though. 537 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:49,520 Yes. 538 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,800 And y'all don't let anyone steal your light. 539 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,520 If you're seeing the vibes, get away from these people. 540 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,480 Don't let them take you all the way down. 541 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:00,480 Yes. 542 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,880 I know there's people that are listening to you. 543 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,880 That was a good...yes. 544 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,720 I'm glad you said that. 545 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,720 All right. 546 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,960 Well, meet back here in two weeks. 547 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:15,480 Thanks for listening to these three episodes and we will talk soon. 548 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,480 Bye. 549 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,480 Bye. 550 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,480 [music] 551 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:26,320 Thanks for making it to the end and hanging out with us. 552 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,640 Keep on the lookout for our next episode and stay gruesome. 553 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,640 [Music]