1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:09,680 [Music] 2 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:19,680 Hello and welcome to our podcast Talk Gruesome to me, where we talk about movies and shows that cover true crime, paranormal and horror. 3 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:27,920 I am one of your hosts, Dawn. I am currently located in Los Angeles and I think I'm pretty well versed in the horror genre, 4 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:35,360 especially those 80s classics. A quick fun fact about me? I have a very extensive crystal collection. 5 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:43,920 Hello, I'm Amy. I'm from Kentucky and my area of expertise for this podcast is paranormal. A few fun facts about me. 6 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:50,240 I'm an empath, I collect old dolls and you know, I've never flown on an airplane. Can you believe that? 7 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:55,920 Now Dawn and I are also obsessed with true crime, so here we are. Talk Gruesome to me. 8 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:03,600 Welcome in. We're back with another episode and this one we're going to talk about Christa Pike. 9 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:12,000 We're going to go through, give some of her background details about what she was convicted of and some of her upbringing. 10 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:21,120 We're also going to, at the end, kind of give our opinions about what is going on. We know this is all in the news. 11 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:29,360 We know that most people just really only know of her by her failed execution. So we're going to talk about that part at the end. 12 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:38,560 But first, we don't want to leave you hanging. We're going to fill you in on, like I said, background, what she's accused of and then also her victim. 13 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:44,000 I actually didn't know anything about her until that failed execution last week. 14 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Yeah. No. See, I had watched like we were talking earlier. I had watched the Mean Girls episode 15 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:56,240 while back, but I just recently pulled it up again after the failed execution. 16 00:01:56,240 --> 00:02:02,320 And I like that show. So we aren't going to cover it on this episode because I haven't watched that episode. 17 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:10,640 But it is on HBO Max Mean Girls. Go watch it. Yeah, it's, I mean it lays everything out there pretty, pretty well. 18 00:02:10,640 --> 00:02:16,000 It's a good show. We both like Mean Girls so definitely go watch. Yeah. 19 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:25,200 When I heard about the failed execution, I looked her up and I was like, I don't, I saw pictures from the crime scene and all that. 20 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:33,840 And I was like, oh, people don't know how brutal that was. Very brutal. Very brutal. 21 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:45,680 Yeah. So when you were like, hey, we should talk about that. Yes, we should. And I also think you and I are maybe going to have differences of opinion at the end. 22 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:53,600 But maybe not. I don't know. I think there's going to be some difference, but we might kind of agree. 23 00:02:53,600 --> 00:03:00,880 So yeah, I don't know. We're going to have to see. But I guess we should go ahead and start with Christa. 24 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:11,360 There's a lot with her. Yeah. And listen, I learned a lot trying to find information to talk about here. 25 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:19,600 And there were some parallels that made me think of their circumstances with the guy who killed my niece. 26 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:24,560 So I feel like I'm going to have some pretty strong opinions at the end. 27 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,680 I'm sure you will. I'm sure you will. And like I said, I think we're going to differ. 28 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,880 But I think there's going to be some things we do agree on. 29 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:47,200 We'll do you want to talk about kind of start with her growing up and her family life and just some of the things that she experienced or went through in her first 18 years. 30 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:54,080 Absolutely. Christa, Christa, just flown out of my mouth perfectly. 31 00:03:54,080 --> 00:04:01,200 Christa Gail Pike was born March 10th, 1976. She was born in West Virginia. 32 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:07,040 Christa was convicted of first degree murder and conspiracy to commit murder. 33 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:17,280 Now her victim was Colleen Slemmer and she was age 19. The crime date was January 12, 1995. 34 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:22,320 And she was sentenced in 1996 and she was sentenced to death. 35 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:32,000 Now, Christa, she of course, everybody has thought so much and known for years that she has been 36 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:44,400 on death row. That was probably one of the things she was well known for because I don't, there's not any more females on death row right now, is there? 37 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:57,520 I don't know. Okay. So while we took a quick little break and looked it up and there's currently 46 women on death row right now, I had no idea. 38 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:08,640 So wow, that's crazy, honestly, but she seems to be the most notorious and I can understand why because what she did was very brutal. 39 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:17,040 She was just 18 years old when she committed this murder of Colleen and she was sentenced to death when she was 20 years old. 40 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:37,360 Probably one of the things that makes her case particularly disturbing, it's very gruesome is not only the violence of the crime, but also because she come from a troubled childhood, the involvement of her boyfriend and the way she behaved. 41 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:45,600 I know she did get in trouble when she did go to prison. So I don't know. There's a lot to unwrap with that. 42 00:05:45,600 --> 00:06:00,880 But she did she come from an unstable family. She really was only ever close with her grandmother and then after her grandmother's passing, she had a lot of trouble and she ultimately tried to commit suicide. 43 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:12,560 She was put into an institution and her parents and any else around her said that that was only person that she was able to really form a bond with. 44 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:31,840 So that person was her everything and she just lost them. She was said to have went through, of course, I'm just saying I don't know the truth, but she says that she went through sexual abuse, lots of violence and she never really was cared for as a kid. 45 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:43,200 There wasn't hugs, there wasn't any I love yous. She I'm sure felt pretty alone in this world especially after her grandmother passed away. 46 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:56,480 Well, some of this yes, she testified about some of it. I have so little sympathy. I'm like, okay, my family, we didn't hug or say I love you, but I'm not here murderer in people. 47 00:06:56,480 --> 00:07:12,160 I mean same same. Okay, but she part of her testimony and some of her family members like for instance her aunt, I guess, testified and they said that there was neglect. 48 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:28,800 She also verified that the house was dirty. There was for instance dog poop around. Okay, again, a lot of people grew up in dirty houses, but okay. 49 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:47,760 And then yes, that part about her grandmother is correct. She went to go live with her early on and then her grandmother at some point, I'm not sure exactly how old Christa was, but at some point her grandmother died. 50 00:07:47,760 --> 00:08:03,120 That kind of really jared her and made her mental health go downhill or made her start acting out or I mean, I feel like she was already starting to act out a little, but it got way worse. 51 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:16,320 I agree, I agree. I do, I totally agree. And then also she was living with her grandmother. Of course, she was very young, but the reason for that is they said her mother liked party a lot and she was never at home. 52 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:28,560 So at that age, it was probably best for her grandmother to step in and take her into a better environment, but it turned that she didn't get along very well with the grandfather. 53 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:46,160 Well, and I couldn't find so most of what I saw says, okay, there's physical abuse, there's neglect, there's sexual abuse, all this, but it didn't really say who was doing these things. 54 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:58,640 So it's a little vague, but those are the things that it says that she was experiencing. So all different kinds of abuse and neglect. 55 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:06,880 And again, I don't know, I'm sure her parents had something to do with it because she was living with her grandmother. 56 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:17,760 But it doesn't, nothing that I found really sad specifics or who was doing these types of things to her. 57 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:25,760 And also, I don't believe it was ever reported to the police or ever took and written down, was it? 58 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:36,160 I don't know, but I did, one of the things that was in the notes that I had taken down was that her stepfather, I guess, 59 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:47,760 used to spinker with a belt or with something, but again, that's back then. It was different. 60 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:55,760 A lot of kids got spanked, had belt or a paddle or had mud, but aura with the several different items. 61 00:09:55,760 --> 00:10:04,640 Yeah, I deserved it, but you know, it was a different time and whether you think that's right or wrong, it was a different time. 62 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:15,600 It just was, it was common for people to get spanked with a belt, a paddle with holes in it, a wooden spoon. 63 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,960 That was a big one growing up, a wooden spoon. 64 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:19,840 Flyswatter. 65 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:20,680 Mm-hmm. 66 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:22,560 Flyswatter was a big one in my house. 67 00:10:22,560 --> 00:10:29,920 And I'm not trying, I mean, if this stuff really happened, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to say it didn't, but I don't know. 68 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:35,440 That's what I said in the beginning, she says, "I'm sure her life wasn't easy." 69 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:35,920 Yeah. 70 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:44,800 And what was it in the third grade? Was it the third grade she had a Tylenol overdose? 71 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:45,760 Almost. 72 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,600 Yeah, she was so young. 73 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:48,960 Yeah. 74 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,080 Uh-huh. 75 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:50,880 That's... 76 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:58,240 Yeah, one of the things about her mom that for sure, I do know, like you said, she was an alcoholic 77 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:07,040 and she was out partying in whatever at a young age she would take sips of her mom's beer or whatever. 78 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:13,840 And then, I guess, probably around the same age elementary school, that's third grade. 79 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,920 She accidentally brought a beer to school packed in her lunch. 80 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,800 I mean, uh... 81 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,280 Me and her kind of grew up the same. 82 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:28,800 When I was a little girl, I accidentally knocked my mom's cigarette case off into my book bag. 83 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:33,760 And at that time, my neighbor was my teacher and I went up to her and I was like, "Missetley, 84 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,040 she's... 85 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,320 Settling me that. 86 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:36,880 Give me that." 87 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:42,400 So she held it into my mom, got to pick me up and she handed it to her, she knew I didn't take it. 88 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,320 And then my dad let me try sips of his beer one time, just one time. 89 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:54,000 I mean, I'm over here, it's down and like, it's a typical, you know, 70s, 80s up, bringing. 90 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:54,640 Yeah. 91 00:11:54,640 --> 00:12:03,120 And she, you know, was having the typical, like, being combative in school, but I think she also started 92 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:08,640 having some kind of substance use, but I'm not sure what. 93 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:13,520 I don't know if that was alcohol or drugs or both or I really don't know. 94 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,440 It just says she had some substance use. 95 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:24,720 There had to be something going on because some of this we've both, we've experienced growing up 96 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:30,960 in the 70s and 80s, not me that you, the 70s, me in the 80s, early 80s. We know what it was like 97 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,120 growing up in. It was a lot different. 98 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:39,440 I mean, I can't imagine if what she said is true, what she went through. 99 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,480 I don't, I know it's never been documented, so I keep saying that. 100 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:48,640 But there has to be some, there's just some difference because I'm not out hurting people, 101 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,160 you know. 102 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:55,120 And some of it, listen, she got in trouble for a shoplifting. So did I. 103 00:12:55,120 --> 00:13:04,640 A lot of kids do that kind of stuff, you know, but somewhere, oh, she was 12 when she went to live with her, 104 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:07,520 or sorry, when her grandma died. 105 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:08,640 Has she been 12? 106 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:09,520 That's so young. 107 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:13,840 And then having to be admitted into an institution that early. 108 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:21,040 Well, yeah, because then she attempted suicide again after her grandma passed away. 109 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:31,280 I guess after that incident, her mom had said that she didn't really get any real treatment or 110 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,920 help for her mental health after that second suicide attempt. 111 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:42,080 Yeah, I'm just, I mean, just imagine if maybe that it happened. Good things have been different. 112 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:43,120 I don't know. 113 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,120 Yeah, I don't know either. 114 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,440 She ended up getting her GED. 115 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:52,400 She never really graduated from high school. She had a lot of trouble in school. 116 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,440 Eventually, she got her GED, like I said. 117 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:59,600 And well, one of the other things too that I want to bring up is that 118 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:10,560 Christa's dad, what's his name? Glen. Glen Pike, he testified that Christa had sexually abused 119 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:18,240 his two-year-old daughter from a different marriage. I think that is an important piece to this. 120 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,480 It's very important. That's disgusting. 121 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:21,840 It's just horrible. 122 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:29,840 And then she ended up in a facility. I think a couple of times she ended up in different ones, 123 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:35,040 but when when she was around 10th grade, how old is that around 16, I think? 124 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:35,520 Yeah. 125 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:36,240 Something like that. 126 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:40,320 Yeah, she went to some type of juvenile facility. 127 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:43,200 She was there for about a year. 128 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:50,400 Then there was another one that said she went to one a couple of years earlier around 8th grade. 129 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,080 And then yeah, she got her GED because 130 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,840 sounds like she was in and out of school. Yeah, she just had a lot of trouble, it seems like. 131 00:14:59,840 --> 00:15:06,240 Yeah, her mother even testified about Christa dating a young homeless man, and his name was 132 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:13,520 Brian Wilson. And Wilson, he actually moved into the family home for a short period. 133 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:19,840 And Christa's mother and stepfather eventually made him move out because they said that he wasn't 134 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:26,240 working and he was extremely messy. At that point, Christa, she just left with him. 135 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:30,640 Christa. Christa, there we go again. I feel like I keep doing it too. 136 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:35,120 Christa, if I do it just ignore me, you know what I'm saying. It just, it flies out better than 137 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:40,560 it. Christa. Yes. I keep saying, I definitely I have said it. I don't know about on here, but 138 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:44,240 I definitely keep saying it. I do too. So Christa, sorry. 139 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:53,360 I'm sure everybody does it. So those two, she moved out and it up with him in a trailer. 140 00:15:53,360 --> 00:16:03,440 Later on, she decided that she would be interested in joining possibly the Job Corps program 141 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:11,600 in Knoxville, Tennessee. And she told her parents that she was thinking about going there and 142 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:23,200 eventually might want to be a nurse, which I mean, I knew Job Corps was kind of had a 143 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:29,440 history of being rough, but I didn't know as quite as rough as what it actually is just by listening 144 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:36,880 to them, talk about it, about the visits. It's, it's rough, but it would have, if it wasn't so rough, 145 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:42,960 maybe that environment that would have been really good for maybe. But you can talk about what if and what 146 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:50,480 it till the end is not going to matter anymore. And then some around that time as well when she was 147 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:59,920 talking about going to the Job Corps, she had told her mom that she haven't raped. She didn't press 148 00:16:59,920 --> 00:17:06,080 charges or anything. She just said that that had happened that someone had, I think she was walking 149 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:13,040 on the street and someone had grabbed her and raped her. And it also came out that she says when she 150 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:20,880 was younger, it had happened to her as well. So she said that that had happened to her twice 151 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:28,560 in her lifetime once early on and then around the same time when she was around 17. Yeah, I mean, 152 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:39,200 that's a lie. And I mean, I just couldn't imagine if that happened, that's just horrible. But yeah, 153 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:46,320 obviously. Yeah, once she got to the Job Corps 18-year-old Christa, she arrived at Knoxville Job Corps. 154 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:54,400 Her mother later testified that she did go and visit her and she was pretty upset with what she 155 00:17:54,400 --> 00:18:00,240 saw. She recalled seeing blood on the walls. And Christa had told her that there had recently been a 156 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:07,360 stabbing in the bathroom. And it was during that visit that Christa introduced her to Tadaryl Shipp, 157 00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:14,560 who was 17. The two became romantically involved. And it was also there that she met 19-year-old 158 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:21,120 Colleen Slimmer. With only a few months, Christa arrived at Job Corps. Whatever hope she 159 00:18:21,120 --> 00:18:31,360 programmed, she presented was gone. On January 12, 1995, Christa was 18 years old and that's when she 160 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:40,160 murdered calling. Okay, so they were romantically involved. And then Colleen came in the picture. 161 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:52,240 And Christa thought that Colleen had some kind of feelings for her boyfriend. Let's just call him 162 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:58,480 Shipps by his last name, just we're saying it right. She thought that Colleen had some feelings 163 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:09,360 towards Ship. What happened was casual. Christa decided, hey, let's just get rid of her and murder her. 164 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:19,360 What happened was they found a third person who sort of kept watch, if you will. That person's name 165 00:19:19,360 --> 00:19:28,720 was Shadola Peterson. So the three of them lured her Colleen out to the woods, saying that they 166 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:35,440 wanted to sort of smooth things over. And what I read was that they told her that they had some pot 167 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:44,960 for her. So they all four went to the woods and then Shadola Peterson, like I said, kept watch while 168 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:56,000 Pike and Shipp[ tortured, beat, carved a pentagram into her into Colleen's skin. And then 169 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:09,200 after all of that, Pike hit her, cracked Colleen skull. And this is the part where I get zero 170 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:21,360 sympathy is she took part of Colleen's skull and with showing it to people at school. Like a souvenir. 171 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:28,560 Yes, I'm guessing that's how they ended up getting in trouble because someone probably called and 172 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:34,560 said, hey, this person has a piece of skull and she's showing everybody I'm probably bragging about 173 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:39,760 what she did. Again, I don't I'm just saying that probably. I know that that's true. But also, 174 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:47,920 friends of Colleen said that she didn't even have a crush on Shipp, said that they were just friends. 175 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:56,240 So I mean that sucks. I don't know I don't know what she saw was she jealous over something that 176 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:04,160 wasn't even going on probably is what it sounds like. When you're 18, everything seems so big and 177 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:13,120 I mean, in a normal hide. This was clearly not your brain hasn't fully developed yet. Your thinking's 178 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:26,160 not fully developed and she said it's so sad that this happened over a boy. I agree. It's so sad. 179 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:35,520 Kind of wild. But also, I want to cover Christa Pike in jail because listen, she hasn't been 180 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:46,800 the most model prisoner either. No, she has not. She's been violent in prison as well. On August 24, 181 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:54,800 2001, a fire forced Pike and two other prisoners Patricia Jones and Natasha Cornet into a recreation 182 00:21:54,800 --> 00:22:02,640 enclosure at the Tennessee prison for women. But a disagreement had broke out between Cornet and 183 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:10,800 Jones, and Pike decided that she was going to intervene and what she did to intervene was she 184 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:19,680 strangled Jones until she lost consciousness and she did that with a shoe string. Jones did survive 185 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:26,400 the attack and Pike was convicted of attempted first degree murder and she received an additional 186 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:39,040 25-year sentence that's concurrent with her death sentence. Not exactly a model prisoner. No, no. I mean, 187 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:48,880 she has violent tendencies for sure. I don't know if let them pass it out. Christa, not your 188 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:56,720 fight. Maybe get some help. Exactly. They're fighting that's welled to me and she's a little older when 189 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:06,400 that happened. Yeah, she was. A little more mature. Yeah. So if for the people who say, oh, she was so 190 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:14,160 young, she was just a kid, but she wasn't that. I know. But also, have you ever sat and watched those 191 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:22,960 shows where 60 days in and all the other jail shows where they go inside the jail? Those people 192 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:28,560 for the majority of them and I'm not talking about the there is some that do stay their 193 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:35,520 self, but the majority of the younger generation come in that jail reminded me of when I was driving 194 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:44,400 a bus and the kids behind me. There's it was crazy. So I don't know what kind of environment she was 195 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:51,600 in there, but it still does it excuse anything, but that's why I was kind of thinking that possibly 196 00:23:51,600 --> 00:24:03,280 that could interfere with her maturing. I don't know. Still, she's wrong. Either way. Yeah, there's a lot 197 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:09,920 that it sounded it's interfered in her growing up and maturing. I mean, literally everything is 198 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:17,120 interfered, but there is a lot of people just like you mentioned earlier that have maybe even had 199 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:28,800 it worse and they're doing just fine today. Yeah, I'll say this. Listening in court to the guy, 200 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:36,880 sort of the description of his growing up with the guy who killed my niece. Similar, where 201 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:46,000 I'm not gonna lie, it was some of the worst abuse that I've ever heard, physical abuse. Yeah. 202 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:56,160 Also, after that trial, his dad killed himself. It was true. I don't know if it was. It had to be true. 203 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:03,520 You're hearing? Yeah, had to be true. He wouldn't have killed himself. Oh no, it was true, but I don't know 204 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:09,200 if just rehashing it and hearing it in the trial or the guilt, I don't fucking know, I don't 205 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:15,920 fucking care. Your family can get fucked. I don't you murdered my niece. That's how I feel. 206 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:25,680 I don't have anything nice to say about his dad doing that because yeah, I just don't. So some of it 207 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:34,720 when I was reading her story, it kind of made me think of that. But I have always, I shouldn't say 208 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:40,800 always, that's not true. I will say listening to that trial and listening to what he went through. 209 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:50,160 There was a period of time where I had some extreme guilt because I felt bad for him 210 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:59,920 and what he went through growing up. But in the end, that clearly went away as you can hear. But in the end, 211 00:25:59,920 --> 00:26:09,520 you know what? You turn 18. You become your own person. You become an adult. You become responsible 212 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:14,400 for your actions and you become responsible for your mental health and getting over 213 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:23,920 what happened to you and finding ways to not make that have you murdering people. 214 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:32,480 There were times that my parents offered to help him because they knew that he was having some problems. 215 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:42,640 He, there, there were ways that he could have handled himself once he turned 18 to sort of 216 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:51,280 survive that and not turn out the way he did and do what he did. And I guess I just feel the same way 217 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:59,120 about her and I feel the same way about most criminals, which is why I should never sit on a jury 218 00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:10,720 to be completely honest. Do you hear that California? Mark her off the list. Yeah, yeah, I got opinions. But 219 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:18,080 I do feel the same about her. You should have handled your business. You're an adult. That's not what we do. 220 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:29,920 And I know she was 18 when she did it. So she was barely an adult. But she also has demonstrated later on 221 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:35,360 that that's just who she is because of what we just talked about that she did in jail. 222 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:41,600 I mean, yeah, because that wasn't like they attacked her or provoked her in any way they were fighting. 223 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:53,040 So let me just get my shoes dirty and help you here. That's right. I don't, I don't get that. Yeah, I can't take up for you there, Christa. I can't, I can't, I can't not one bit. No. 224 00:27:53,040 --> 00:28:04,800 And the thing is I just, she, you know, the failed execution so that part of it. I know people are going to think I'm horrible, but 225 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:18,240 I really, if they end up deciding like, no, we're going to do this again. I just so be it. I don't, I just don't think these people. 226 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:27,760 Why are we paying for them to be in jail? I don't know. I just, I definitely, I will say this, I'm not one of those people who's like, 227 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:43,360 oh poor Christa, she went through to failed attempt this poor girl. No. I saw pictures of what she did to Colleen. No, no, no. Yeah, I mean, 228 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:55,600 I struggle with the death penalty. Just simply because I don't feel it's mine 229 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:09,200 or anyone else's decision when someone's life is ended. But man, there's a lot of cases that make me want to sway the other way. 230 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:20,560 I don't know. I just feel like it's God's decision when we come in and when we go out. You know, I'm a Christian, so it's, I don't know. It just really, it's a hard one for me. 231 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:32,960 She is guilty. She did horrible things. She tried to do hurts or I'd not the same thing, but she tried to hurt someone years later in 2001. 232 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:43,840 You're guilty. You have these tendencies to where you cannot be put let out into public. You can't be trusted out there. Who are you going to hurt? 233 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:59,920 The first person that pisses you off so you can't go out in society. You are expensive to set in jail. I don't, I don't know. I mean, my first question, and this is going to sound awful for the ones of you who know me. 234 00:29:59,920 --> 00:30:06,960 But when I heard what happened, my first question in my head was, well, why are you sending her to the hospital to try to really help her? 235 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:21,280 Couldn't this just let her go on naturally and be done with it? They don't want to get sued. Well, they're already going to get sued. They are. She's already working on that. So either way, which do you want to be sued for? 236 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:31,280 That's the worst part. Now you got a fader and give her supplies. Whatever else. So you were already going to get already going to get sued. 237 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:45,280 Yeah, and that's the thing I'm in my head thinking she's going to sue them clearly and all these people their tax money is now going to go to her. What? 238 00:30:45,280 --> 00:31:00,320 I mean, as soon as that as soon as that second one ended, it was done. And she was also even worried. Her lawyer said days before her execution that they would not be able to get it in and it would hurt her arm. 239 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:13,520 She was fearful that they would not be able to get it in the vein. I'm not sure if she wasn't drinking enough water had some kind of other underlying medical thing going on. I'm not sure, but they said that she was worried about this happening. 240 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:22,160 Yeah, I think she said she had had that issue growing up whenever they try to take blood that they couldn't find her veins. 241 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:28,880 How hard was that for them to double check and verify that and maybe think of another route? 242 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:44,720 I don't know. We only have a minute. Really? Yeah, I don't know what to do. I don't know. Yeah, mean girls. I mean, kind of just yeah, watch that. I just kind of feel Dawn says do it again. And I just kind of feel like what you say. 243 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,680 If you want to do that, why do you say? 244 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:57,040 I also, I get why people don't like the death penalty for religious reasons or because listen, evidence can be wrong. 245 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:09,040 People have wrongly probably been executed and been up for it or whatever for years upon years upon years. That's not the case here. Right. I know. 246 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:14,400 It's tough. She's guilty and she's a horrible person. But yeah. 247 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:24,560 Got. I'm stuck on this one. It's like real. That's why I wanted to talk about it because I wanted to talk it through with you because I have trouble. I 248 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:37,280 What do you think? I think we're going to run out of time. So me back here in two weeks and tell us what you think somewhere. Yes, comment. Let us know what you think. Tell us what you think they should do. 249 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,440 We'll see you later. Thanks everyone. Bye. Bye. 250 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:54,160 Thanks for making it to the end and hanging out with us. Keep on the lookout for our next episode and stay gruesome. 251 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,160 [Music]